schmitty3 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Leslie Frazier following the bye week: outscored 101-20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmitty3 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 We should try to trade him now for a draft pick. Doesn't matter what we get, he is pretty worthless now. Everson Griffin needs to be playing at the end, he can do some damage there, and we are wasting him away playing him inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABS4ME Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I think the Vikes should look at it this way... you are on the hook for his entire 2013 salary if he plays or not (say an injury)... if they lose one or two more games, it's obvious the season will be a total bust. No chance at even .500. Put Allen out there for trade for a higher pick (2nd round?) and you will pay the balance of his salary. He isn't going to re-sign here anyways and almost half his salary will be paid by the trade deadline. I dont think money should be the issue in the short run, but rather the ability to stock pile higher draft picks. I think without the caveat that his salary will be paid, few teams could account for him and remain under the cap. Especially contending teamsI can bet a contending team that needs a little more pass rush will strongly consider that move. Even an Allen at 70% is someone that needs to be accounted for and may free up a younger quicker rusher from a double teaming.By not doing something outside the box, you are simply doing something the Twins constantly do... (Hunter, Cuddyer etc) run out the contracts only to let a player walk and get nothing for them.Good Luck!Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckSutherland Posted October 17, 2013 Author Share Posted October 17, 2013 The big mistake was not trying to get him to restructure. He could have freed up enough room for Winfield, but he is too greedy. The reason he got all those sacks is cause teams throw the ball 40-50 times a game on us. That's not normal. He had more opportunity than other players at the same position. The year he got 22 what was our record?? 3-13?? He didn't give a dam about playing a team sport. He was going for personal glory. Always out of position on running plays and always assuming every play was a pass. Too many of you get caught up on stats of each player. There is a lot more to it than that.Allen is a specialist. ALL he can do is rush the QB. He just isn't good at it anymore. I wish there was a stat for how long QBs hung onto the ball vs us compared to other teams. They have ALL DAY to throw. Our lack of pressure made Scam Newton look like Johnny Unitas.Allen is worth possibly a 6th round draft pick if we were to trade him tonight. Is he better than that?? Yes, but smart teams wont give up any more value than that to get him, and the dumb teams are all out of the playoffs already and don't need him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleFloyd Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 There was zero chance he would restructure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FISHINGURU Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 No one will ever know, the Vikes didn't even bother to ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJuice1980 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 He's the 2nd best player on this team. Why get rid of him. One could argue that he is the most impactful player with AP getting so much attention that hes rendered a non-factor. Jared plays fundamental disciplined football, we need more guys like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurfy Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 did ya all see that sack he had with one hand and a d-LINEMEN IN BETWEEN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofishfisherman Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 did ya all see that sack he had with one hand and a d-LINEMEN IN BETWEEN! It was nothing, I'm sure Buck could have done it with no hands and 2 d-lineman in between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABS4ME Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 It was nothing, I'm sure Buck could have done it with no hands and 2 d-lineman in between. Again... Classic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corncob Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 LMAO!........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FISHINGURU Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 LMMFAO, that was a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stick in Mud Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 It was nothing, I'm sure Buck could have done it with no hands and 2 d-lineman in between. And he would have predicted it beforehand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikatcher Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 No doubt he could do it. But, afterwards he would have dislocated his shoulder patting himself on the back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABS4ME Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 And he would have predicted it beforehand. Correction:He would have Predicted it the day after he did it!Good Luck!Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach1310 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Correction:He would have Predicted it the day after he did it!Good Luck!Ken And I am sure he has broken down all of the film of Jared Allen to show us proof he is in it for only his stats and nothing else..... I mean, being the next GM/Coach of the Vikes, a guy should have his ducks in a row and know what he has going in. If Jared Allen restructures his deal and we get one more free agent signing out of the deal, I am sure we are on top of the NFC north right now, I mean nickel corner(which winfield would have played) is the only thing holding us back right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMITOUT Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Quote:Report: Jared Allen could be traded by TuesdayAdd another name to the list of players who could be traded by Tuesday at 4:00 p.m. ET.Jay Glazer of FOX Sports reports that Vikings defensive end Jared Allen could be traded “for the right price.”While that sentence generally applies to any player, there’s reason to believe it particularly applies to Allen. He’s in the final year of a contract that pays him a base salary of $14.2 million, which means that he’d be due to make $7.5 million over the rest of the year.Glazer says the “right price” is more than a third-round pick, which could be more than a new team would want to pay for a guy in the last year of his contract — unless a new deal would be part of the trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott K Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I would be all over a a 3rd for Allen right now, but we will get one at the end of the season for him anyway. So if we get a 3rd for him now, all we are doing is freeing up cash for the remainder if this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMITOUT Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Allen's stat line from last night: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckSutherland Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 Allen's stat line from last night: You mean to tell me his stats are a big 0?? Cant be. He sacked the highly mobile Eli Manning and undefeated Giants last week with a defender in the way and saved our season. There is no way he got his @$$ kicked by some no name 4th round pick rookie like that last night. Don't you know he had 22 sacks back in 1984? He is the best ever and we should pay him more. He is not making nearly enough.He is probably blowing on purpose so he can stay here and live off his over-inflated salary and be idol-worshiped by the circle jerk clan on here. If I were him I wouldn't want to get traded out of MN either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJuice1980 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 You mean to tell me his stats are a big 0?? Cant be. He sacked the highly mobile Eli Manning and undefeated Giants last week with a defender in the way and saved our season. There is no way he got his @$$ kicked by some no name 4th round pick rookie like that last night. Don't you know he had 22 sacks back in 1984? He is the best ever and we should pay him more. He is not making nearly enough.He is probably blowing on purpose so he can stay here and live off his over-inflated salary and be idol-worshiped by the circle jerk clan on here. If I were him I wouldn't want to get traded out of MN either. Buck, you rip somebody for mis-typing a word but on a different forum you typed loose instead of lose. Nobody ripped you for that, did they?Here's another comical take on football in the mind of BuckSutherland: Stat Lines. Wow, you don't know anything other than what you read and hear. Ever spend time watching a game? If you have then you will see how good this guy is at containment (D-Ends first responsibility) and run stopping. The guy constantly breaks blocks and makes tackles on the edge. His effort is very hard to match for anybody on any team. The guy has skills and he goes all out, why hate on him so much? I think you must have some weird fetish for being Skip Bayless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmitty3 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Ever spend time watching a game? If you have then you will see how good this guy is at containment (D-Ends first responsibility) and run stopping. Containment? If you consider running a huge wide loop 10 yards behind the qb containment then ya JA has great containment. All of Rodgers scrambles out of the pocket or runs for first downs last week went to the left side where JA should have been. Ya he'll get to the qb a few times, but when he doesn't he leaves a gaping hole for the qb to step up into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJuice1980 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 His run recognition is pretty dang good. You don't see him doing that when its a run play do you? That's how you pass rush, watch most D-ends, they rip back over the top or rip underneath. I bet you know how to do that better than a pro. Maybe the scheme should call for a LB to come up and fill some green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Its his goat roping routine that drives me nutz. Like when he finally does make a play he's suppose to he needs to draw that attention to himself, even if the team is losing badly. He, and others like him, are taking football to the level of pro wrestling and roller derby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Wettschreck Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Pro wrestling I can do without. Roller derby, as long as it's a bunch of fairly hot chicks wearing little clothing.....I'm all aboot that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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