Who should the Vikes draft?

[nofishfisherman]

I said I wish the Vikings would switch to the 3-4 instead of running the Cover 2.

I get that you don't want to play cover 2 but its seems like you want to replace the cover 2 with the 3-4. The problem with that is that you can't replace the cover 2 with the 3-4. They deal with 2 completely separate parts of the defense. You can switch from 4-3 to 3-4 but the cover 2 is a totally separate scheme.

If you switch from cover 2 what defense alignment do you want the secondary to run?

[FISHINGURU]

What do you mean you can't replace the Cover 2 with the 3-4? You most certainly can.

All the Cover 2 is you drop 7 men into zones and try to get pressure on the QB with only your front 4. It's a boring and easy to read base coverage that gets ripped to shreds unless you have constant pressure with your front 4.

[nofishfisherman]

Running a 3-4 doesn't mean you are getting rid of the cover 2, both can exist on the same field at the same time.

The cover 2 basically dicates what your 2 safties are going to do and what your 2 corners are going to do. The 3-4 doesn't dictate responsibility of either of those positions so if you switch to the 3-4 you'd still need a pass coverage scheme which could still be the cover 2.

[FISHINGURU]

Yes you can run a Cover 2 out of a 3-4 or a 4-3, we run ours out of a 4-3 Tampa 2 which sucks IMO. Most teams don't run Cover 2 out of a 3-4, you can call the play but not like it's your main package like it is for us.

Like I said I wish we would just drop the Cover 2 all together and run a 3-4 defense. I'd like to see more Cover 0 and Cover 1, or a strong Cover 6. More blitzing not so easy for the opposing QB to read.

We mainly run a Cover 2 and Cover 3 out of the Tampa 2. We rarely blitz any LB's, CB's, or Safeties. We drop back into our zones and hope the front 4 can get there quick, if they can't we get exposed which you see all the time.

This is an example of what we run. http://footballtimes.org/Article.asp?ID=167

[LMITOUT]

Quote:

Vikings rookie Greg Childs likely out for year with two knee injuries

MANKATO, Minn. -- Greg Childs screamed in pain as he hit the ground and left the field on a cart after suffering what two NFL sources said late Saturday night were believed to be significant injuries to both of his knees.

An MRI was not complete as of midnight, hours after the rookie receiver was injured on the penultimate play of the Minnesota Vikings' annual night practice at Blakeslee Stadium.

But sources said Childs' knees were swollen and the worst-case scenario was he might have ligament damage in addition to tearing both of his patella tendons -- the same injury he suffered to one of his knees as a junior at the University of Arkansas in 2010.

[LMITOUT]

[quote name='Rotoworld

Minnesota Vikings

4. Matt Kalil' date=' tackle, USC.

29. Harrison Smith, safety, Notre Dame.

66. Josh Robinson, cornerback, UCF.

118. Jarius Wright, receiver, Arkansas.

128. Rhett Ellison, fullback, USC.

134. Greg Childs, receiver, Arkansas.

139. Robert Blanton, cornerback, Notre Dame.

175. Blair White, kicker, Georgia.

210. Audie Cole, linebacker, N.C. State.

219. Trevor Guyton, defensive tackle, California.

Overview: Minnesota acquired fourth-, fifth-, and seventh-round picks "for free" when it moved down one spot in Thursday's Trent Richardson trade. The Vikings then sent Nos. 35 and 98 to Baltimore to draft Smith with the 29th pick. GM Rick Spielman picked up 2013 fourth- and sixth-rounders in deals later on. While accumulating selections is always a plus, and the Vikings made the right call on Kalil over Claiborne, a majority of the other players acquired have too many question marks for comfort. Smith is really an in-the-box safety, and those are rarely worth first-round draft picks. Childs may never be right after a 2010 patella tendon tear. Wright, Robinson, and Kalil were the class of this haul. Beyond Kalil and perhaps Smith, however, the Vikings didn't get a single surefire year-one difference maker. Spielman could have used his picks better.

Grade: C+

[/quote']

Looks like Rotoworld wasn't too far off.

[BuckSutherland]

All the ammo we had and like donkeys we did try to move up into the second round again and get a true year one difference maker. Instead we settle for a couple maybe prospects. Just goes to show how bad the queens scouting dept is. They have no ability to find true talent so they tried to get lucky by picking numbers.

[SkunkedAgain]

All that aside, what a terrible way to likely end your pro career, before it even had a chance to take off. Sad

[PurpleFloyd]

I remember hearing from a lot of rubes that since we drafted Kalil we won't need to worry about WR's because of all the extra time the QB will have in the pocket. Actually I even had someone say that Kalil will make the defense better.

So we should have no worries.

[LMITOUT]

All that aside, what a terrible way to likely end your pro career, before it even had a chance to take off. Sad

Some would say it ended the day he was drafted by the Vikings.

[Stcloudangler]

Meh, it was a 4th round pick... who did you think we were gonna get besides another shot in the dark?

[goblueM]

Meh, it was a 4th round pick... who did you think we were gonna get besides another shot in the dark?

A few options that are attractive and prob would have been better picks, regardless of the injury:

Tahir Whitehead, LB taken a few picks after, reportedly looking great in Lions camp.

Josh Norman, CB, Coastal Carolina

Marvin McNutt, WR Iowa

Jonte Green, CB, New Mexico (looking very promising in Lions camp)

[YiGGiN4SLoBS]

Meh, it was a 4th round pick... who did you think we were gonna get besides another shot in the dark?

Every pick besides the first rd is a "shot in the dark" for spielman, studwell and company.

[BuckSutherland]

I just have to revive this old post.

Lmitout clamoring for the Vikings to take RG3, Pierbridge thinking Blackmon would be the savior of the franchise. How is he working out for Jacksonville Pier?? Couple of you telling me that I was nuts that we couldnt get Clevland to trade from 3 to 4 and give up a bunch.

Kalil turned out to be a great pick.

Blackmon and Claiborne like many of you wanted suck.

And as predicted by yours truly Washington gave up the franchise to move up for RG3.

[kfk]

Why would you revive this old post?

[Rick]

Because after finally finding something where he WAS right about something TWO years ago he's a happy boy

Throw enough mud and your bound to get something that will stick.

And he's definitely thrown enough mud.

Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then

Just a few of our own BuckS's brilliant football mind observations..picked out from his posts in about 2 minutes...

when they Vikes pick they will be taking them and dealing Allen on draft day. He is going to be a FA so they will try to deal him and get something for him this year.

And the Vikes are smart enough not to let it out to the public that they are trying to deal this rube. You guys with the man crushes would be POed if your favorite flytrap left.

Originally Posted By: BuckSutherland

I will be PO'd if we trade up and reach for Austin or Patterson. Lots of head games being played I think.

Originally Posted By: BuckSutherland

Here is what I think will happen this week.

Round 1.

We are gonna take Teo if he is there at #23. Chicago may decide to take him in front of us though. If he is gone we take either Sheldon Richardson (he will be gone) or Sylvester Williams.

[kfk]

Good stuff Rick. Thanks.

I can only imagine Bucks comeback excuses now.

[BuckSutherland]

LOL,

and I was right all along. They should have traded Allen, even if all they could have gotten was a couple happy meals. Some of you are so blind to see how his cap hit crushed this franchise last year. Sure would have been nice to Winfield back last year, but nope, they slob hogged up all the cap. With that same money this year they signed Joesph, Griffen, and the Captain.

And when talking about trading up for Patterson, that was to move up early in the first with one of our two picks. Not for coming back later in the first and getting him, but nice try Rick.

And I wasnt the only one that thought TEO would be a Viking. He might have been if Floyd would have been gone.

Nailed the 2012 draft more than anyone else, but you guys always tell me I am clueless so I thought I would prove otherwise.

[Rick]

Buck.. blah..blah...and blah

[PierBridge]

I just have to revive this old post.

Lmitout clamoring for the Vikings to take RG3, Pierbridge thinking Blackmon would be the savior of the franchise. How is he working out for Jacksonville Pier?? Couple of you telling me that I was nuts that we couldnt get Clevland to trade from 3 to 4 and give up a bunch.

Kalil turned out to be a great pick.

Blackmon and Claiborne like many of you wanted suck.

And as predicted by yours truly Washington gave up the franchise to move up for RG3.

I disagree with Rick that hes right about anything.

I said all along that Kali is the safe probable pick and that would work for me.

I would still take RG3 over Kali any day and Sunday.

Blackmon has played 1 year for the most part.

I don't make rash judgments on such a short sampling time frame.

Yeah I'm happy with the pick so far but you are no great sports minds as thats been established on a regular daily basis here at HSO/FishingMinnesota time and time again.

On a side note we need you back in the hockey forum to clarify some of your John Kerry flip flop post you laid on us.

[FISHINGURU]

There's only 2 options at this point.

Keep the pick and draft Kalil or trade the pick.

You can't just go find a franchise LT, no teams let them go therefor you have to draft them.

I'll never understand why teams let their O-lines get so bad, if I was building a team that's what I'd want the most.

[DrJuice1980]

Nothing makes winning look easy like a solid O-Line, just ask the Cowboys of the 90s dynasty.

[zepman]

49'ers have built one of the best O-Lines in the league thru the draft...almost all 1st rounders...almost.

Vikings center and left guard need to be replaced badly...left guard should be one of the 3rd round picks in this years draft. I wouldn't complain if they took one in the second if one of the top guys slipped a little..

[Fish Head]

I wouldn't complain if they took one in the second if one of the top guys slipped a little..

I agree. They need to pick a guard in rd 2 or 3!

[Scott K]

I still cant stop thinking about if Watkins fell to the Vikings. Even though it isnt really a team need, just the thought of having two young stud WR on the team. It ought to make any QB look good. Not to mention having AP in the back field, and an OC that can design plays. I am sure he wouldnt drop that far to us anyhow, and I highly doubt we draft him, but it would make for a scary dual of young WR for many years into our future.