Guess the score!

[nonteepical]

i also like how the gross guys claim "the deer deserves every inch of antler it grows" but yet they insist on including the inside spread, wich obviously is air.

[hockeybc69]

I dont get your point nonteep.....

Gross or Net, the inside spread is included.

Harvey,

I totally understand how the scoring differs. My point is, why the heck would anyone give a hoot about "deductions". I like to think "deductions" are the character that makes every deer different.

[ANYFISH2]

I understand your stance and i feel the same. If you give me the gross thats fine it is what it is. The OP ask for a score so some of us gave a gross and net or one of them to indicate how we guessed our score.

And ya hunter, you've left us hanging long enough, whats the real score?

[hunter322]

All right all right!!! i scored this rack myself so remember im not a pro but i got 144 6/8 gross and had 12 2/8 of deductions for a net of 132 4/8! My biggest to date!!! But i do agree with hockeybc69, inces are inches! Like on this deer it had the forked right brow, which by the way there is 10 scoreable points, thats what makes it unique. why would they have deductions? i dont get it myself. my dad and uncle were sayin the same thing at christmas. but those are the rules of b&c. a couple of other stats on him, both main beams were 24 2/8"the base of both beams were 5 1/2" around and had an inside spread of 18 1/2"

[harvey lee]

How tall were the G-1 and G-2?

[hunter322]

The G1s were 6 2/8 and 7 1/8 and the G2s were 7 6/8 and 7 4/8.

[hunter322]

and nonteepical you have to admidt a buck with a really wide rack looks alot more impressive than one with a narrow rack, so naturally he should score higher.

[nonteepical]

my point was the gross score guys don't like the side to side difference in the scoring system because it's deducting antler, but they are all for inside spread to make the score higher, but it's not antler.

[Scoot]

I'm with nonteepical- net score doesn't have too much meaning for me either. I understand what Tom said is true-- for P&Y and B&C it's net that matters. But for me, gross is all that matters.

[lakevet]

Nice deer! What did it weigh?

That used to be the question until recent years.

I am old school so I look at weight and points. Weight generally equals older mature deer therefore more difficult to harvest, and points add yet another category of difficulty. We do talk some now about inside spread. Always have to chuckle when some guy talks about the big buck they got and it only weighs in at 170-180#. To each his own. By the way, Minnesota still holds the all time record for the largest whitetail shot by weight. Just harder to market products to hunters based on weight.

I think it would be great to use B&C or P&Y plus weight plus age of the deer plus public or private land. To shoot a 240# dressed weight buck scoring high in B&C and being a 6 or 7 yr old survivor of all those hunting seasons, that wasn't "raised" on a managed private farm is a real rarity.

And rarity is part of what makes a "Trophy" to the hunter as an individual and collectively.

Combining wt and rack would drop Texas out of the running.

Bottom line, congrats on YOUR trophy!!!!!

lakevet

[pulleye16]

Wow...how a fun game turns into a bit*&ing match! WHO CARES WHICH WAY IS "BETTER!"

How big was the deers left testicle?

[Black_Bay]

Nice buck Hunter. If I can find the time I'd like to score my racks also. Poking around online I found a place, Buckscore, that has a way to score deer from photos. I haven't done it yet but it looks interesting.

[sticknstring]

Buckscore is interesting but not very accurate. If you took the scores from 4-6 pictures and took the average, it might get you pretty close though. I played around with it earlier this fall using different trail cam pics of a single deer and found 50" of discrepancy among pics. I think you have to have clear defining pics and the right angles, so-on and so-forth to get accurate readings. It's fun nonetheless.

[Bear55]

my point was the gross score guys don't like the side to side difference in the scoring system because it's deducting antler, but they are all for inside spread to make the score higher, but it's not antler.

I guess I am against deductions, be them antler or air.

[WalleyeGod]

RippinLip was closest on the guess. Much closer than I would have had it. He didn't state what the prize is but I will presume new Pickup truck. Congrats!

I do like the Buckmasters method of scoring better personally but have scored deer using the B&C as that seems to be what most go by.

WG

[harvey lee]

I'm with nonteepical- net score doesn't have too much meaning for me either. I understand what Tom said is true-- for P&Y and B&C it's net that matters. But for me, gross is all that matters.

The only reason the net is of importance is that is the way the racks are scored for the book for both P & Y and B & C. If the took gross now for all future deer, it would make all the ucks in the book sound small when they are not.

I guess someone had to come up with a system to score deer and this is the system right or wrong.

A nice deer is a nice deer and the scoring is only for the bucks to get registered into the book.

[harvey lee]

I dont get your point nonteep.....

Gross or Net, the inside spread is included.

Harvey,

I totally understand how the scoring differs. My point is, why the heck would anyone give a hoot about "deductions". I like to think "deductions" are the character that makes every deer different.

I would assume that if one is going to state a score for a buck's rack, he would them score that deer according to the book and the rules. Why score it otherwise?

I am not saying that one way is better than the other but what I am saying is, they are scored by a set of rules and have been for a long long time.

Just the same as when you a score a rack, you are suppose to use a metal tape and not a cloth tape as one will get a higher score with a cloth tape. Just the way it is.

I have scored many a rack and my scores are always higher than an official scoring by a certified scorer.

[Archerysniper]

How big was the deers left testicle?

[hunter322]

im kind of liking this disscusion on this topic. it wasnt my intention to start one as such but im enjoying it wether you agree with me or disagree. its just an interesting topic. but as far as weight i dont know for sure we didnt have a scale then but after him my dad bought one and named it the "de-liar". but talkin with my dad and father in law we were guessing between 220 and 240 dressed. he was a horse! and me personally im guessing 3-4 years old. wasnt alot of sag in his skin. and pulleye im not exactly sure how big it was but im pretty sure it was bigger than either one of ours! and black bay it only takes about half hour to 45 minutes, go to the b&c HSOforum and they have a score card that adds everything up for ya and ya can print an unofical version of it. and as for walleye god, no, there is no pickup truck or any kind of prize. just a fun lil way to show off my pride and joy and start an interesting thread.

[harvey lee]

Anyway you look at it, it is a very nice buck. Score or not.

[honker23]

I hate using weight because it is too dependent upon the time of the year and the location of the deer. I think the best is to give both scores. It gives you the overall feel of the deer and a measure of how "perfectly" symmetric it is.

I think most of us guessing were a little low on the estimate of mass. I guessed around 30-32, when it sounds more like 40 inches. Mass can really make a score!

Nice deer

[Bear55]

I would assume that if one is going to state a score for a buck's rack, he would them score that deer according to the book and the rules. Why score it otherwise?

The main reason I score them is to get a better idea of the size of the deer. When a friend tells me he shot a buck I have a better idea of the size of the deer when he says 135 inch 8 pointer vs just another basket 8 pointer. Even if you were to send photos those can also be hard to judge so it's nice to have a photo and a score to go with it.

It's the same reason I want to know what a deer dressed out at. Like someone said it can vary greatly depending on what time of year a buck is shot but I still like to know to get a better feel for the overall size.

For me the only reason to bring up a net score is if you are interested in entering it in some record book. If you aren't, and I get the general feeling a lot of hunters don't care then it's just another number and arguably not a true representation of the full size of that deer.

[96trigger]

I like to go by gross score. B&C and P&Y are not only looking for rack size, but looking for the perfect rack. The perfect rack has 0 deductions and is perfectly symmetrical. When I took my buck to the whitetail expo a couple of years ago, there was a buck that had 0 deductions. They had multpiple people score it to confirm. It was a pretty big deal to them. It wasn't the biggest buck there by any means, but it was pretty noteworthy. I understand the whole gross vs. net argument, but I'm not going to complain about there rules either.

[sticknstring]

I've never heard of a deer with the same gross/net score. That's impressive. There are plenty of scoring clubs out there. If you don't like the rules of one, enter your animal with another. Pretty simple.

[JimmyJames]

RippinLip was closest on the guess. Much closer than I would have had it. He didn't state what the prize is but I will presume new Pickup truck. Congrats!

I do like the Buckmasters method of scoring better personally but have scored deer using the B&C as that seems to be what most go by.

WG

I'm thinkin the truck is mine, I'm off by a half inch( that's what she said).