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whenever i hear a story about this i can't help but wonder why these lawbreakers are alowed to ever fish again. i can almost see making a 1 fish over the limit 'mistake', but 25,50 even 100 over? these people are not sportsman. this isn't a mistake, it's choice to break the law. maybe there should be a new law that doesn't allow these gross violators to ever fish again. just my .02

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sometimes its the ppl who dont understand there posession limit. I myself like fishing. and catch my limit religously. but then when i get home theres some ppl and neighbors that always call me up for some fish. say your priest, mail carrier, grandma or mom, lots of ppl. this for i usually only have one limit in the freezer therefor i can get my limit the next night. that many fish in one freezer i can understand why they fine them, probally get freezer burn before anything.

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 Originally Posted By: harvey lee
I just hope they pull their priveleges forever. Problem is, those kind of people dont care if they have a license. I also hope the fines dont get reduced.

That's exactly what I was going to say Harvey Lee, they poach, they fish out of season, they take over their limits- why would not having a license stop them?

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I "usually only have one limit in the freezer therefore I can get my limit the next night"? If you have your limit in the freezer you can't go get your limit the next night...Looks like you are one of the ones that can't understand the possesion limit...

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 Originally Posted By: CrappieKiller01
sometimes its the ppl who dont understand there posession limit. I myself like fishing. and catch my limit religously. but then when i get home theres some ppl and neighbors that always call me up for some fish. say your priest, mail carrier, grandma or mom, lots of ppl. this for i usually only have one limit in the freezer therefor i can get my limit the next night. that many fish in one freezer i can understand why they fine them, probally get freezer burn before anything.

I don't think this case has anything to do with not understanding what the limits are...that they were trying to be nice guys giving fish to their neighbors...or that they may get freezer burnt before being eaten. These guys are criminals, plain and simple. They should be treated as such.

BTW- If you've already got a limit in your freezer, you cannot legally take any more fish of that species - no matter who they are going to.

If my neighbor wants fish, I invite him out in the boat.

They ought to put some real teeth in these penalties for this type of behavior. These guys had 172 fish OVER their limit. How many other times have they done this? No one gets caught on their first offense. $250/fish and no more licenses for life sounds like a decent start. You've heard of whiskey plates...they should have "poacher" plates for these types.

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I would also like to see stiff fines for this type of blatant thievery, also confiscate all gear and atv's or snowmobiles. Then take the fines and proceeds from the confiscated goods and channel back into stocking our lakes, instead of just tossing it into the general fund.

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So, if his wife has a license he can go out and keep her limit too eh? Or as Vital shot says...he keeps rotating limits? His post clearly states "I" and "My" not ours as in more than one person...What I find funny is that people are trying to find ways around a limit in the freezer for him? If he has ONE LIMIT in his freezer...HIS LIMIT as he states he CAN'T go put his wifes limit in without her fishing...Let's quit trying to figure out how a guy can get more limits in his freezer..I thought the days of bragging up keeping limits were behind us...guess not...This post started as a post to flame over limit hogs not glorify them..

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I agree the fine should be more like 100 or 200 dollars per fillet and loose fishing rights. Who would want to chance that fine. And if they got caught after their liscense for fishing was revoked i would think there would be some jail time involved then. And the poacher plates is a great idea it would give everyone a heads up if they saw the vehicle at a lake.

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Jail time for first offenders is not going to happen.Penalties are mandated by state sentencing guidelines that were created by the legislature.The court system tries the offenders, and administrates the penalties for guilty verdicts.The liberal system we have in this state will always try to err on the side of not being too hard, or heavy handed, on administering punishment for crimes.Judges like to get appointed to a higher court, and new ones elected to hold office as a judge.Stirring the constituency is not in their best interest.Same with legislators.You folks may not agree with what I am advocating, or believe it,but that is the real deal.Repeat offenders will suffer harsher penalties as they get caught again, and again.Confiscation/seizure is becoming more common with some fish and game cases.We don't always hear about it,however.Sentencing for first offenders may seem too light, but the state thinks it has an image to uphold as a sportsman friendly place to everybody,including the criminals,so compromises will be in order to do just that.Minnesota doesn't want to be seen as a 'police state'.Doesn't seem right, or fair, but that is the way it is for now.

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Oh god - poacher plates...whiskey plates are illegal. That idea isn't happening.

I wasn't advocating keeping more than one limit, [PoorWordUsage] i rarely keep one fish.

But we don't need to hang a guy that fishes and gives other fish away. Hes just being friendly.

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 Originally Posted By: tisosy11
whiskey plates are illegal.

Actually, they are not illegal. You may have the opinion the plates should be illegal,but whiskey plates are mandated by the state of MN as part of sentencing for multiple, or repeat DWI offenders. If a person doesn't want to have whiskey plates on their vehicle, don't drink, drive, and then get arrested for DWI.Same with 'poacher plates'.Don't want the poacher plates,don't break fish and game laws, and then get arrested, or cited for doing so.Real simple.

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 Originally Posted By: CrappieKiller01
sometimes its the ppl who dont understand there posession limit. I myself like fishing. and catch my limit religously. but then when i get home theres some ppl and neighbors that always call me up for some fish. say your priest, mail carrier, grandma or mom, lots of ppl. this for i usually only have one limit in the freezer therefor i can get my limit the next night. that many fish in one freezer i can understand why they fine them, probally get freezer burn before anything.

I'm speachless. This type of activity and attitude was hashed over the Alex site not long ago. This "meat mentality" bothers me, and a couple others, I believe. Our lakes aren't supporting this mentality anymore. Our fathers and grandfathers had reason to keep fish for the freezer. Times have changed. I see nothing wrong with keeping a limit of fish. But to give them to others willy nilly, just so I can keep "religiously" keeping a limit,.... I'm speechless. This has no less negative affect on fish populations as the OVERLIMIT BUST persons first mentioned. It would be tough (impossible) to enforce, but there should be some type of law against gifting of fish. I hate the idea of more and more laws, but if WE, as fisherman, can't think past "keeping as many fish as I can catch" type of thinking, and coming up with ways around it, I think someone needs to help us adjust our thinking.

I like to fish for the experience, and if keeping a few for a meal is part of it, great. But having your ego stroked because you can go out a catch limit after limit of fish, and feel good about it because I'm giving food to the priest, grandma, or mail carrier is just selfish. Think about the kids coming up today and the future of our fisheries before the priest next time.

ps- I'm curious, do grandma, mom and the priest all have liscenses to possess those fish. I appreciate your honesty, CrappieKiller. I really see no difference in poaching for yourself or poaching for others, though.

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Unfortunately the State Statutes allow this to happen. The person receiving the gifted fish does not need to have a license. However, if the person has a limit in their freezer, they cannot go out and catch another limit. They would have to give the fish in their freezer away first or have the fish marked with the name of the person they will be gifted to. Even if his wife has a license, she did not catch the fish so they technically are gifted fish and should be marked accordingly. I don't like the statute the way it is either. Something the DNR should look into and fix. I can see possibly giving some fish to family members but not everybody you know just so you can catch some more.

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 Originally Posted By: CrappieKiller01
sometimes its the ppl who dont understand there posession limit. I myself like fishing. and catch my limit religously. but then when i get home theres some ppl and neighbors that always call me up for some fish. say your priest, mail carrier, grandma or mom, lots of ppl.

How about telling them to go to the supermarket and buy their own? Our lakes and rivers are not a food shelf intended to feed everyone you know. They are for SPORTSMEN to enjoy recreating.

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There really are two type of fisherman/woman. Ones that fish to enjoy it and ones that fish to stockpile. I relate it to a CEO that makes millions a year. Does he really need that money? No but he can so he does. This is the same mentality some of these gross over limits come from. They take the fish because they are biting. They don't have the self control to stop at their limits. Now I am not crazy and would love to be in the CEO's position to make the money but as a manager do I really want to run my company into the ground?? As outdoors man and woman it our responsability to manage the resorce and this is done by not "taking everything we can get" Too bad there aren't more gamewardens to curb this activity, but that is why there is a TIP line and I encurage everyone that sees a "meat guy" out there taking away from all of us to call it.

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