nofishfisherman Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 The problem with these trades is that you rarely get fair value. As soon as the player demands a trade your leverage in negotiations immediately takes a hit. Other teams know you have to trade him so they can usually offer less in return.To get what we did for Love is pretty impressive given the fact that they knew we had to trade him and that there really wasn't another viable contender in the trade talks. In the short term its not an even trade since we'll certainly get worse and the Cavs will get better. However, the real measure will be 2-3 years from now when we see what sort of players Wiggins and Bennet become. There is at least some hope that one of them becomes a star, then perhaps we can consider it a fair trade, time will tell.As for Love playing with Lebron. I think he'll do ok. Its clearly Lebrons team so I think Love will walk the line and do whatever he needs to do to fit in and make Lebron happy. Maybe Lebron can even get Love to put some effort into defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigums Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Quote:A source informed the Daily News that the Sixers will be sending veteran forward Thaddeus Young to Minnesota for a package that will include Bennett I know Bennett didn't live up to his expectations in his rookie year but I would think he has more upside than T. Young Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrklean Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 If he only has a year left and no guarantee to sign longer term very risky I would take my chances with Bennett if he agrees so a longer deal I would roll with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PierBridge Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Love is only 25 so he'll mature.He wont have to play much defense.The Cavs will be in the conference finals 5 of the next 6 years. Id assume a couple rings too.Its a great trade for both teams all things considered.Im glad hes gone we wernt going anywhere with him.The NBA is pretty much a joke now anyways so I cant get to worked up over it either way. Go Wolves. . :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikestabber Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Maybe Lebron can even get Love to put some effort into defense. So now Lebron is a miracle worker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getanet Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Was reading a pretty interesting statistical breakdown of how the Cavs will looks with James, Love and Irving on the floor. Gist was the James/Love pick-and-roll will be nearly impossible for teams to defend against. Do you keep a guy on Love and let James just manhandle his defender on the way to the rim, or double James and give Love wide-open 3s? And if you're lucky enough to stop both of those options, they'll be able to swing it to Iriving, another All-Star and good shooter.At this point in their careers, the I would take the Cav's Big 3 over the Heat's original Big 3. There's no guarantee they will get a championship, but barring injury it looks like they have a pretty easy road to the Finals in the East for the foreseeable future.I don't like how Love handled the situation, but I don't blame him for wanting to get out of here either. And I would rather have him be upfront with the front office like he was, so we could get as much as possible for him now, instead of stringing us along and leaving as a free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott K Posted August 8, 2014 Author Share Posted August 8, 2014 While Young is a better player then Bennet, I think I would like to keep Bennet, and see what he becomes. We know Youngs cieling, we dont know Bennets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofishfisherman Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 While Young is a better player then Bennet, I think I would like to keep Bennet, and see what he becomes. We know Youngs cieling, we dont know Bennets. I agree. Besides I don't have any faith in the wolves ability to judge young talent. Its better for us to keep as many of them as possible and hope one develops instead of trading one away. Based on wolves history Bennet is going to blow up and be an all star and Wiggins is going to bust who is traded in 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott K Posted August 8, 2014 Author Share Posted August 8, 2014 That was my thoughts exactly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PierBridge Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Was reading a pretty interesting statistical breakdown of how the Cavs will looks with James, Love and Irving on the floor. Gist was the James/Love pick-and-roll will be nearly impossible for teams to defend against. Do you keep a guy on Love and let James just manhandle his defender on the way to the rim, or double James and give Love wide-open 3s? And if you're lucky enough to stop both of those options, they'll be able to swing it to Iriving, another All-Star and good shooter.At this point in their careers, the I would take the Cav's Big 3 over the Heat's original Big 3. There's no guarantee they will get a championship, but barring injury it looks like they have a pretty easy road to the Finals in the East for the foreseeable future.I don't like how Love handled the situation, but I don't blame him for wanting to get out of here either. And I would rather have him be upfront with the front office like he was, so we could get as much as possible for him now, instead of stringing us along and leaving as a free agent. Exactly my take on the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hnd Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Its going to be interesting to see how love does in Cleveland. He is excellent offensively but sucks on defense, is a cry baby and whines to officials. With qualities like that I'll wonder how he does playing with 2 other stars. tim duncan has seemingly survived with similar qualities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hnd Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 At this point in their careers, the I would take the Cav's Big 3 over the Heat's original Big 3. There's no guarantee they will get a championship, but barring injury it looks like they have a pretty easy road to the Finals in the East for the foreseeable future.in hindsight, i'd agree. wade was just broken and bosh turned into a perimeter 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott K Posted August 22, 2014 Author Share Posted August 22, 2014 Quote:MINNEAPOLIS — The Minnesota Timberwolves have secured the final piece they were looking for in a blockbuster Kevin Love trade.A person with knowledge of the situation told The Associated Press that the Timberwolves will receive Philadelphia 76ers power forward Thaddeus Young as part of the deal that will send Love to the Cleveland Cavaliers. The person requested anonymity because an official announcement has not been made.Yahoo! Sports/FOX Sports 1 NBA Insider Adrian Wojnarowski and the Minneapolis Star-Tribune also reported the structure of the deal.The Wolves agreed weeks ago to send Love to Cleveland, where he will team up with LeBron James and Kyrie Irving to make the Cavaliers an instant favorite in the Eastern Conference. The Cavs agreed to send No. 1 overall draft pick Andrew Wiggins, former No. 1 pick Anthony Bennett and a 2015 No. 1 draft choice they obtained from Miami to Minnesota to land Love, but Wolves President Flip Saunders and GM Milt Newton immediately went to work to try to get the 76ers involved in the deal as well.The Wolves have wanted the 26-year-old Young to help them replace Love in the starting lineup, and the two teams came to agreement on Thursday to make that happen. Young averaged a career-high 17.9 points per game last season and gives the Wolves another athletic player to put around point guard Ricky Rubio. He also gives the young team another veteran presence in the locker room.Young had two years and more than $19 million left on his contract, but he can become a free agent after next season if he chooses.The rebuilding Sixers will get guard Alexey Shved and forward Luc Mbah a Moute from the Timberwolves and Miami's No. 1 pick next year from the Cavaliers in the deal, which will not be officially announced until Saturday when Wiggins becomes eligible to be traded.A seldom-used NBA rule prevents any rookie from being traded for 30 days after he signs his rookie contract.Shved and Mbah a Moute are entering the final year of their contracts, which gives the 76ers sought after financial flexibility going forward as GM Sam Hinkie continues to gut the roster in an effort to build a long-term winner over the next five years. Mbah a Moute also has a close relationship with Sixers rookie Joel Embiid and could provide a nice mentor for the young big man while he sits out the season because of a foot injury.The Timberwolves were expected to introduce Young, Wiggins and Bennett on Tuesday at the Minnesota State Fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I personally think we are coming way out on top with this trade. Will it take a couple years for it to play out and see how everyone develops and plays together, yes but I have a lot more confidence in our new lineup than the old. The wiggins/bennett trade has been known for awhile but the addition of young while only really giving up shved and mbah a moute I think is a steal. Even if we only rent him a season and he decides to leave the other two players weren't making an impact with us either. A lineup of rubio, martin/brewer, wiggins, young, and pekovich looks pretty interesting. The post defense will be lacking but we can throw in deng or turiaf when needed. I'd really like to see the organization get rid of barea somehow now and add a different point guard but I don't see that happening before the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartmanMN Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Don't forget about Zach Lavine and that other kid we drafted. We have a pretty exciting group for the Wolves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott K Posted August 22, 2014 Author Share Posted August 22, 2014 We are also giving up the 1st round pick that we are getting from Cleavland, to get Young. But we are recieving a 4 million dollar trade exception. If this deal goes through, the Wolves got a steal for Love! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrklean Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Sure hope he doesn't bolt after 1 year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott K Posted August 23, 2014 Author Share Posted August 23, 2014 Quote:While it can't be made official until 12:01 ET Saturday morning, the long-anticipated three-team trade between the Minnesota Timberwolves, Cleveland Cavaliers and Philadelphia 76ers has been agreed upon in principle by all sides, according to ESPN's Marc Stein. While the swapping of Kevin Love and Andrew Wiggins has been all but etched in stone for some time, the inclusion of the 76ers and small forward Thaddeus Young was a more recent development. Until recently, it was widely reported that the Timberwolves would be flipping one of the returns from the Cavaliers, last year's first overall pick Anthony Bennett, to Philadelphia in exchange for Young. Now it seems they'll be holding onto him, instead tossing the Sixers the first-round draft pick Cleveland will be sending over in the deal, expected to be the Miami Heat's 2015 first-rounder. Here's a breakdown of the moving pieces in the trade, as presently constructed: Cavaliers receive: F Kevin Love (from Minnesota)76ers receive: F Luc Mbah A Moute, G Alexey Shved (from Minnesota), 2015 first-round pick (from Miami, via Cleveland) Timberwolves receive: G Andrew Wiggins, F Anthony Bennett (from Cleveland), F Thaddeus Young (from Philadelphia). Unable to get the throw-in they wanted in Bennett, the 76ers seem to have opted for more long-term cap relief (if that's even possible), by picking up two expiring contracts in Mbah A Moute and Shved, not to mention another draft pick (they had seven of them in this year's draft). And in picking up the last two No. 1 overall picks in Wiggins and Bennett, and a very capable starting wing in Young, the Timberwolves are making out pretty well here. The Cavs? They'll be alright too. Feature photo courtesy of USA Today Sports/Howard Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott K Posted August 23, 2014 Author Share Posted August 23, 2014 Nice haul by the Wolves. Including a $6.4 million trade exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishersofmen Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Love it that we got Young in this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott M Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 2004: Don't worry, the Wolves will be even better next year2005: Don't worry, we'll put some pieces around KG2006: Trust us, we'll put some pieces around KG2007: Okay, we'll trade KG and rebuild. Just hold on.2008: Future's bright, we have young players2009: Kaaahhhhnnnn! (the draft that should have set us up for years)2010: Love's an all star, we'll build around him. Just wait.2011: Rubio and Love, the future is bright!!!2012: We're adding pieces (on one year contracts)!2013: Flip's back, we'll make it right and build around Love2014: We added some pieces, we'll be in the playoffs this year!2015: Levine, Wiggins, Bennett, Young, Rubio....Just wait!Point is we're all getting sick of waiting. I hope they finally build something. They probably did as well as anyone has with trading a disgruntled star. I'm on the fence about Love - sounds like quite a prima donna, but he's a heck of an unorthodox piece with a huge basketball IQ and did good work in the community. I will be watching a lot of Cavs games just because you could see some really special things.More of a shoulder shrug for me...I'll keep fishing and if I happen to catch a game, great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofishfisherman Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Just got back from vacation and saw the final deal. This is probably the best return any team has gotten for a disgruntled star that vowed to opt out or not resign.Only time will tell if the wolves end up winning in this deal but its a nice haul for the wolves. Glad to see we got to keep Bennett and still get Young in the deal. Hopefully between Bennett and Wiggins at least one of them lives up to their potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott K Posted August 26, 2014 Author Share Posted August 26, 2014 The midgut is all but gone. If the can't trade him , they will cut him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott K Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 Quote:The Timberwolves are reportedly ready to offer Eric Bledsoe the four-year, $63 million max-level contract he's been seeking.The Wolves currently do not have the cap space to make this offer upfront, so it would need to involve a sign-and-trade. However, the Suns reportedly are not interested in Ricky Rubio, so it's unclear exactly who would be involved in this deal. Bledsoe has been great while on the court, and averaged 17.7 points, and 5.5 assists last season with the Suns, however, he also only made it through 43 games. It's difficult to give any real analysis without knowing how the parts would be moved in this deal, but we'll be monitoring the situation closely. Stay tuned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR21HP Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Bledsoe is going to resign with the Suns, they just upped their deal and Bledsoe's agent said its all but done. Commend the Wolves for trying though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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