Wanton waste

[vister]

Question for you guys. How upset would have to be, or would you ever turn in someone you knew well for a big game violation. For instance, wanton waste times two.

[jeffreyd]

i would not think twice about it, as discussed in another post, i would turn my son in if he was doing something illegally. Maybe i am just a p rick but hey my dad would have done the same thing. apple does not far from the tree

[Musky Buck]

That's sticky Vister. The part that gets me with Wanton is we have a venison/deer donation program I think it is still going this year. Also, if a person asks around a bit and you fill out the registration tag on the bottom you can have someone transport it etc. someone who would take it, there's a guy in Wadenaville that would be willing to take and use every part of a deer and regularly gets road kill etc. There's also quite a gaggle of Amish in our area Vister and they wouldn't refuse taking a few deer. It's like you almost wish you didn't know of it. Luckily, I'm a hound on anyone I hunt with and the animals get taken care of because I'm relentless on better get those geese cleaned or deer taken care of or fish etc. But, what if you find out a few too many days too late and they're not salvageable. I know I gave you no answer and I know you do things the right way. Do you risk losing these people as friends over a couple deer ? Man Vister, not a pickle I want to be in. And before the rest of us chime in really put yourself in Vister's shoes and don't blanket it with turn em in, I would, my ? to them would be would you really, truly, honestly or is it internet chatter. If this was honestly the first time this happened I would tell them if this happens again, ever, cmon guys I will have to give a CO a buzz or you guys shouldn't hunt anymore unless you eat it or have someone lined up to take the animals, there's more to hunting then the shooting part. My deer is currently in the Perham locker plant where it should be.

[Musky Buck]

I'm not saying that's the answer, but if you know they would know it's you who turned them in they'll never forget it or forgive you possibly and could make life a bit tougher for you and your family. If they wouldn't be able to trace it to you then by all means give a call, we see too much deer and goose dumping off and on in places. I don't know the full story Vister but go with your heart and listen to your gut. Best of luck.

[Boar]

That is a very tough one, I've been in that situation, where as the perrson comits some game violation even in another state or actually commits a crime where as reliveing someone of personal property thinking there doing something rightous. Then tells me about the crimes. Like I want that burden. Maybe otherrs are more harsh an would'nt have a prob. turning in a freind, not an easy situation. Statutes of limitations have taken affect so now its basically "What comes around gose around" Charma can be cool. Good luck vister

[picksbigwagon]

One side of my head is screaming, turn them in, the other side is saying, talk with them now and tell them it is the only and last time this happens, next time you turn them in.

The first two years I hunted deer (I was in my mid to late 20's when I started deer hunting) we had a guy in our group that was the Jack of all Jackalopes (if you catch my drift) I didn't know what to think the first year when he shot two doe's and no one had a tag to use on them. The next year he shot a 4pt. buck and told me to use my buck tag on it (346 was lottery at that time and I didn't get a doe tag) since HE was going to hunt Whitewater state park the next few days.

I had the whole week to hunt for my first deer and my brother in law intervened and told the guy where to go. He tagged the deer and no one has talked to him in many years........

If it is family, I can see not turning them in this time. I think there is more to this story and I am not sure if you will get what you are looking for. Listen to that voice inside your head that is trying really hard to tell you what to do.

[InTheNorthwoods]

Question for you guys. How upset would have to be, or would you ever turn in someone you knew well for a big game violation. For instance, wanton waste times two.

How blatant was this waste? Did they intentionally shoot the deer with no plan to do anything with them? Are they worried the meat was no good and they didn't process them? Did the deer go bad on them in an attempt to age them? Are they new hunters who thought they could do it themselves but got overwhelmed by not knowing what they needed to do and now the meat is no good? Is the meat tainted with lots of coagulated blood?

I guess what I am saying, is that there are many factors to consider. The biggest being, was the waste intentional, and was there ever an intent to use the meat? IF that is the case, I wouldn't hesitate to call TIP annonymously. If they made a mistake, I would offer my help and advice so it doesn't happen again.

To me, wanton waste is when someone intentionally shoots something with no intent to use the animal for any reasonable purpose (I don't care if someone is going to feed their dog most of it, if thats what they need the meat for, so be it). Just don't shoot one and let it lay going to waste.

[zzammon]

My initial thought to family and close friends is don't ask don't tell. If they should happen to tell, maybe make clear you don't approve and ask they not inform you of their illiegal acts or you may feel obligated to inform a CO.

[gatorhunter]

If you're not with us, you're agin us! Turn his poaching rear end over to the Game Warden!

[rcook72]

Educate and inform about the donation progam. If that doesn't work let them know that there is a possibility someone would turn them in.

[deets22]

depending on how close the person was to me i would still share a feeling or two about what happened. sometimes things don't work out but blatant waste can't be tolerated.

[96trigger]

If I new them well, I would ask if they needed help butchering. Maybe even say that they left some of the best meat in there and that I would be able to show them how to properly get it off in the future. I would let them know that it could be wanton waste if the DNR agent ever saw it, and that you are just looking out for their best interest.

This lets them know that you are willing to help if need be. It also lets them know that you don't think its right. We don't need to enforce the law, but we can sure help people understand the law. If they don't get it, call the DNR.

Also, as an example. About 10 years ago a group of guys bought 80 acres of bluff land next to where we hunt. There wasn't the best relationship between the two groups as we used to hunt that 80 and they didn't seem to care about property lines. Anyhow, we go out after the season to remove our stands and in the ditch on the property we hunt are 6 deer with just the backstraps and hind roasts taken out. The deer weren't even quartered. Best part was that the tags were still on the deer. The DNR was called, but technically, they took meat off the deer so no wanton waste citations were issued. (They did however, get it for not registering their deer)

If the deer is not blatantly shot and dumped, I don't think that there is much that is going to happen.

[BLACKJACK]

Question for you guys. How upset would have to be, or would you ever turn in someone you knew well for a big game violation. For instance, wanton waste times two.

Thats a tough one. I think you have to weigh whether you still want to keep in good relations with this guy vrs two deer. If your relationships is unavoidable like a co-worker, neighbor, or relative where you will see them regardless, you need to tread lightly. Let them know what they did is wrong and leave it at that. If they're a good friend and take offense, then they have different scruples than you and really aren't that good of a friend.

Time sometimes takes care of these types of problems too. Several years ago my neighbors dogs were running thru my place, I had trail cam pictures and had several opportunities to shoot them while I was on my bow stand - BUT I have to live next to this guy for the next 20 years so I wasn't going to shoot them, not even the shoot, shovel, shutup method, the risk of having a PO'd neighbor wasn't worth it. I showed him the trail camera pictures, he tied them up, and now one of the dogs died naturally and the other doesn't run by himself. Time solved the problem.

Good luck.

[vister]

the waste of the meat isn't intentional. it wasn't from meat going bad while trying to age it. the meat wasn't tainted. they are not new to hunting, however new to the art of butchering. typically, they haul their deer, hide intact, to be processed. this year, he didn't have the funds to make a down payment at the locker, so he thought he'd do it himself. a week and a half ago i was there, and i asked him why he didnt take it in yet. said he was doing it himself. too stubborn to take help when offered. the other day, the meat was still there, however, now its NOT edible. down right [PoorWordUsage] me off. lets just say you wouldn't feed it to your dog, unless you want it dead. i almost puked when i caught a wiff of it. does this change how any of you would handle the situation? it confirmed my suspicions of LAZINESS!!

as you can tell, im a bit irritated, and wondering if i should blow the horn. such a shame

[motley man]

Have a chat with the offender's and explain to them the problem with what they are doing. I would not hunt with these people as they are not responsible hunter's.

[96trigger]

I think you have already expressed you displeasure when you confronted him on it. His intentions were good, i would let it go, no matter how lazy you think he was.

I mean, you definitely have reason to call. But I wouldn't. I would let him know that what he wanton wasted and that it shouldn't happen again.

What always bothered me about these types of people are that they will continue to hunt while there are 4 deer hanging with the hides still on. Ours our usually butchered within 48 hours. The most would be 72 if its shot during the week.

[DTro]

It sure sounds like he had good intentions to take care of it. That is a tough one. I would probably mention how disappointed I was to see the deer go to waste and hope that it doesn’t happen again.

Who knows, maybe he feels really bad about it too.

A little peer pressure goes a long way

[96trigger]

Just letting him know that you are watching and don't agree with it goes a long way. Are the deer in plain sight? Maybe just mentioning that anybody driving by seeing those deer could call the DNR might get the message across also.

[Muskie456]

How about having the coversation of if you can't afford to process your deer and can't handle it yourself you have no business killing anything. What a waste. I understand the politics of it but that is insulting.

[96trigger]

I don't think afford it might have been the right word. If he could afford to buy the license, guns, gass, he can afford to have it processed. Evidently, all the meet he could have gotten to help aleviate some expense wasn't worthe his time. It was probably more like, took it to the butcher shop, didn't want to spend the money or didn't know it would cost that much, decided it would be cheaper to take it home and do it themselves, and never got it done.

If I couldn't afford to have it butchered, I certainly wouldn't let good meat go to waste.

[Musky Buck]

Wonder Vister if you know these guys well to your knowledge has this happened before or what have they done in the past with the deer they took ? The part I don't like is times are tough for lots of people right now and it wouldn't have taken much effort to find a needy family that would have been thriled to have them.

[Wanderer]

Vister,

If he can't seem to get the point from you and you don't really care if you ever speak to him again - call the CO.

If you have to maintain some type of relationship with him - make sure he gets your point and see what happens next year.

Too bad.

[vister]

the worst part is he is a buddy of mine. so as much as i have to bite my tongue this time, i dont think i can turn him in, but just let him know its a terrible thing to do. especially with all of the anti's out there these days. they hear of things like this that give us hunters a bad rap! i just cant turn him in, as he is to be a groomsmen in my wedding next fall. it would cause too much bad blood. however, one of the deer wasted is in pics i posted of how our rifle opener went. looking at that pic, and knowing that magnificant animal went to waste will irritate many. thanx for the feedback fellas, i just dont think i am a-hole enough to watch him get fined for it. had it been poached, or illegally harvested is a different story though. none the less, i wouldnt regret him getting into trouble, its just that im not the guy to report it.

[vister]

say, inthenorthwoods, you may remember seeing pics of this deer. i believed you loved the double white patch on the throat of the buck.

[Muskie456]

Not that they all don't deserve the respect of not getting wasted but a huge ten pointer like that. It is even more irritating to see the animal that got wasted.