Outlaw deer drives on public land!

[barebackjack]

They do not do what most people see in their mind as a "deer drive".

They drive deer like anyone else, just make a ton of noise.

[creepworm]

We do not drive public land but we are constantly yelling back and forth while we do drives. It is a safety issue. If everyone yells every minute or so then everyone knows exactly where everyone else is. Also, it helps us stay in a line, if someone gets into some thick brush and we hear that he fell behind, the rest of us hold up and wait for that person to catch up.

[lakevet]

I have some land near Swatara, that's surrounded by state land.There's a group of local yahoos that method of choice for hunting deer is doing drives.Sun up to sun down , if you're sitting in your stand, they don't care. They'll walk right through, yelling, firing rounds in the air., shooting at anything they see.Driving deer is no way to hunt, it's unsafe, unethical,and disrespectful to other hunters, especially on public land. I think it should be illegal.What are other's thoughts?

I just read through this , and it kinda sucks, I hate typing. But you get my point.

I am a local yahoo, whose family went to muzzleloading years ago so we could safely continue our 100 yr plus hunting tradition of tracking, still hunting and driving deer in Minnesota. Driving PROPERLY done is safe (no accidents for our group in 100 years and so far this year no fatalities related to deer drives in Minnesota that I know of. However those deer stands.....). Our approach also avoids areas where others are standing for safety, because it is good ethics, and to be honest why chase a deer to them.

I CAN relate to others wrecking your hunt.

We quit regular firearms season because people would literally run to get in front of our standers and shoot at deer coming out of the drive which was directly towards our drivers. We quit for our own safety from idiots trying to benefit from our efforts in a very dangerous way. Some even went so far as to trespass onto our private land to do this. Public land was a total zoo. We always avoided any area where someone was already on stand. One time we had a father have his kids sneak between our standers without orange on so they could get a chance at deer coming out of our drive. We had no idea they were there til the drive ended and they walked out of the brush strip and told us what dear old Dad had them do. Thank God that a deer didn't run that way because I would have shot that direction, having no clue 2 kids were hiding there without blaze orange. I told dear old dad what I thought of his "tactics" and I still shudder at the thought I could have killed a 14 year old kid, or his young brother.

Now we are starting to have the same thing happen in muzzleloader season. We pray each year for absolutely brutal weather for muzzleloader season as it usually eliminates the slob hunters.

To us ultimately it is not the means, tactic, or method, but it is the character and ethics of the hunter. Unfortunately there are slobs in every type of deer hunting. And more laws/bans won't change that.

Sorry that you have a unethical group in your area.

lakevet

p.s. shooting randomly has never been a tactic used by our family. If you shoot, it is at a deer.

[psepuncher]

PSE-Yeap...Texas is ranked 47th in public land ownership...

that's awesome then, with all the public land and 4 million deer running around,

ALONG WITH ELK, ANTELOPE BIG HORN SHEEP, AND MONSTER MULIES. A longer firearm season and no snow, what's not to like? Most public land is thousands of acres wide and no surrounding houses, sounds even better. I cut my boys teeth in a WMA in TX called Gus Engling WMA. Named after a CO who lost his life while on duty. GEWMA is about 11,0000 acres had gators there too.

Anyway...

the way we used to do deer drives in Arkansas was with dogs.

And the safe place to post was in a holler. Ain't no way I would ever exchange nuthin for those memories.

[First Ice-Mike]

This is just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard - Outlawing deer drives. I guess JimmyJames thinks the way he hunts is the only way to hunt. 80% of the deer we shoot are the results of drives - always done saftely. By the way- How many guys of fallen out of deer stands the last 5 years and been killed - How many have been shot and killed during deer drives?? I would bet a bufallo nickel way more have been killed while hunting out of a stand. I suppose the next thing will be to outlaw fishing out of a boat because the wakes interfere with shore fisherman. Give me a break!!!!

FI

[JimmyJames]

This is just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard - Outlawing deer drives. I guess JimmyJames thinks the way he hunts is the only way to hunt. 80% of the deer we shoot are the results of drives - always done saftely. By the way- How many guys of fallen out of deer stands the last 5 years and been killed - How many have been shot and killed during deer drives?? I would bet a bufallo nickel way more have been killed while hunting out of a stand. I suppose the next thing will be to outlaw fishing out of a boat because the wakes interfere with shore fisherman. Give me a break!!!!

FI

You don't do much reading , do you Mike? Yes,personally I do prefer stand hunting. I have no doubt that drives can be very productive, and safe for that matter.But I also believe that drives done on public land can be very selfish and unethical.But I guess they fit right in with the me,me mentality. Who cares about your fellow sportsman, right?

I guess I'd be all for laws regulating public land drives similar to to watercrafts near shore . But I also agree we don't need more regulations , just a little common sense and courtesy. Give me a break?

[Big Dave2]

.But I also believe that drives done on public land can be very selfish and unethical.But I guess they fit right in with the me,me mentality. Who cares about your fellow sportsman, right?

But yet the reason you are complaining is because it effected YOUR hunt and YOU don't like it.

[JimmyJames]

Hey, I'm not looking for an argument. Honestly, the reason I'm complaining is it effects my dads, my sons, and the elderly guy who's been coming to the area for the last 50 years, to name a few. I got young legs, I can and do hike back to where no one can bother me.Common sense and courtesy, that's all I'm asking for.

[not_nuf_time]

I agree with JimmyJames, I feel drives are fine (still do individual drive for the my boy), but come on he's just talking about courtesy and common sence. I call Bull-[PoorWordUsage], on the fact if you know there are hunters on stand in the area that you consistanly drive year in and year out that your just a bunch of Aye holes, plain and simple. Laws against drives no way, courtesy, not likely by a few bad eggs. To bad for your group Jimmy, my guess is they're just trying to discourage you enough that you don't hunt the area anyway. Hillbilly tactics. Probably not the norm throughout the state.

[elkhuntingfan]

I think we should eliminate stand hunting on public land. I hate when I wander into a woods, and some guy is sitting in a tree. I don't like sitting in a tree, so no one should be allowed to do it. I also don't like how loud some of the guns are out there. They should eliminate all the ported barrels or maybe only allow .410s to be used on public land. That loud noise just scares me, and I don't think the deer like it either. I've noticed in recent years some guys use scents to attract deer. I don't like the smell so maybe that should be outlawed on public land as well. If everyone agreed to use the land only in the way I think it should be used, we would all be happier. I should be able to get in my chunk of woods on public land, and no one else should be allowed to enter.

It floors me how just because one group of hunters is rude in terms of how they perform their drives, some people think we should outlaw all drives. If someone leaves their stand on public land, should we outlaw all stands on public land? How about being realistic. If you don't like drives, go hunt in some tamarack swamp in the middle of nowhere.

[Getanet]

You don't do much reading , do you Mike? Yes,personally I do prefer stand hunting. I have no doubt that drives can be very productive, and safe for that matter.But I also believe that drives done on public land can be very selfish and unethical.But I guess they fit right in with the me,me mentality. Who cares about your fellow sportsman, right?

I guess I'd be all for laws regulating public land drives similar to to watercrafts near shore . But I also agree we don't need more regulations , just a little common sense and courtesy. Give me a break?

You don't seem to be reading your own posts JimmyJames (one of the best TV characters of all time by the way). Suddenly you're sure drives can be done safetly, you don't think we need more regulations and all you're asking for is a little common courtesy...

You posted a thread titled "Outlaw deer drives on public land!" where you said, "Driving deer is no way to hunt, it's unsafe, unethical,and disrespectful to other hunters, especially on public land. I think it should be illegal."

But perhaps I'm quoting you out of context?

[First Ice-Mike]

No kidding - man, this guy must be in politics.

[JBone]

I would move to somewhere else to hunt!!! I would not be able to stand hearing let alone watching that [PoorWordUsage]

[TruthWalleyes]

Just use their deer drives to your advantage. We do deer drives every year, and perform it safely. Sometimes we push some really nast stuff, we know the guys pushing the woods will lose contact with each other, and will be unsure of people's location...on those drives, the drivers don't have guns, and the shooters don't shoot into the woods. Ground rules need to be laid out for drives to be safe. I've been in too many unsafe drives to partake in a drive that i know is going to be dangerous.

I LOVE when i'm sitting in stand, and i see across the road a group of orange getting ready to push some woods...

Have we driven public ground...Yes, were there any vehicles in the vacinity of the ground...No. You must know where everyone is to have a safe drive.

[waxworm09]

Maybe we should outlaw people like jimmyjames from sitting in their stand right next to public land? If I had a problem like that, I would move my stand farther away from the public land, and not expect all the people like me that hunt public land to steer clear of the guy in his stand thats right beside the public land. We drive 150 acres of crp every year opening day, this year there was a guy posted up in the far corner of the crp, so to be respectful we didnt drive it. I think they should outlaw stands in public land, one guy sitting in the far corner avoids everyone from driving the whole chunk of land! Im kidding about outlawing the stands of course, I wouldnt have the nerve to recommend something like that... sell your land jimmyjames, and buy a chunk of land far far away from public land. better yet, be thankful you have your own land!

[WalleyeChamp]

Nothing wrong with deer drives. Just because you spend your time in a stand and wait for your deer makes it wrong that some others want to move around? Personally , I hunt 90% from stands and do only a few drives per year. But I'm sick of hearing about guys saying it's unsafe, unethical and just plain looking down upon guys that participat in drives.

It's much like the QDM argument. What made you right in saying the only way to hunt deer is from a stand? Pathetic really.

WIth that said, there's always bad apples when you group em together. Just like there are dbags that hunt in stands that aren't theirs, it happens but I don't look down on all stand hunters because of it.

[jay83196]

Bottom line it boils down to common courtesy I don't care if its on the water or in the woods always risk of rude people who don't care or even consider others enough to keep their distance or let everybody enjoy. As far as drives I'm of the opinion they run more risk, short of falling out of your stand (and most or all stands come with a harness these days) pretty tough to get shot 15' up. And the risk is walking and sudden impulse/reaction of a deer being spotted can have (adrenaline is a funny thing) good people make careless decisions in a split second, take a questionable shot at moving animal etc. I'm not saying all drives are unsafe or make them illegal but common sence says they run more risks as there is a lot more people involved and more going on.

Jimmyjames I'd be frustrated also, but you won't win the best you can do is make the most of it hope they drive one to you or they hunt elsewhere they will never care, common courtesy is getting to be a thing of the past...I wish you luck!

[RumRiverRat]

Jimmy are you serious?

You want laws made to improve YOUR hunting experience.

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!?!?!?

[lakevet]

. And the risk is walking and sudden impulse/reaction of a deer being spotted can have (adrenaline is a funny thing) good people make careless decisions in a split second, take a questionable shot at moving animal etc. I'm not saying all drives are unsafe or make them illegal but common sence says they run more risks as there is a lot more people involved and more going on.

Same thing applies to pheasant hunting in groups. Did it once and that was enough for me. Everyone on the same level and lots of birds flying low combined with standing corn. Hunting in a group with people, most I never had hunted with before. As to moving targets, the only injuries (which unfortunately resulted in death), among the people I know are 2 cases of duck hunters in a boat and one hunter swinging on a duck accidently shoots the other. For me the number of people I will bird hunt with is 3 max and I know them well. When we do deer drives all standers MUST be up in stands, which result in downward angled shots into the ground. Group is almost all relatives who have been hunting together since childhood. If you pass on a deer because you think it was unsafe or were unsure of where people are, you are praised as the hero of the day. Happened last year when one of our group passed on not one but TWO mature bucks that came out of a drive. Everyone knows that people are more important by far than any animal.

lakevet

[barebackjack]

This is proof that no matter what you know, a [PoorWordUsage]'er will always hang himself, I could have sat here and defended these people I know till I was blue in the face, it was much funner to watch the poster hang themselves. Make sure when you type something you double check what you are saying, you hit send and you own it and people judge you on it! [Note From Admin: Before Posting, please us the Contact Us link and read forum policy. Thank you.]

[eyeguy 54]

lol, either that or wait till I make some more popcorn. :>)

[jay83196]

"Should be locked" barebackjack, because you disagree or are not interested on it...nice! Your comment reminds me of reading those banners screaming about antiabortion....if you don't like it don't have one! Or in this case don't read it and move on to another topic like talking about how many big foot you saw in the woods last year... Nothing wrong with a good topic debate, problem is so many people can't ever see something through anothers eyes and just get angry. It sucks for jimmyjames and he is just stating his opinion I don't agree about banning it but several valid points have been conveyed about safety and commen courtesy included in drives that are hard to argue if the wrong people are involved on them....in most cases in a stand the victim is the person in the stand(falling etc not hurting anybody else) in a drive the the victim is not the person who made the mistake. (By the way

you've just been judged!

[laker1]

Many people hunting state land will make deer drives from land they are usually not hunting so not to disturb there area but will affect the area other people are stand hunting. Like I said there is deer drives which are O'kay and than there is deer drives that are unethical. The individual who started this blog had some good points about being a sportsmen or sportswomen.

[hawgchaser]

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This post has about zero point and should be locked up.

NO!!! NO!!! A thousand times NO!!! This and Jay's thread are great filler entertainment until we get fishable ice. Not being a deer hunter (I did it twice but it didn't take for me), I've condensed the plethora of elaborate embellishments on the original posts into a conclusion. If a hunter owns land for deer hunting, there should be an "area of control" surrounding said owned land in which others have to comply with their hunting wishes/styles. A couple questions come to my mind:

1. Is there an acres owned to acres controlled ratio?

2. I have hunting woods on three sides of me within 1/4 mile of my property. Am I being a poor sportsman and an unethical person if I mulch leaves on my lawn while hunters are hunting these woods? I'm just presuming fishing on my(public) lake is outside of the bounds of ethical behavior.

[jay83196]

No its not at all but if you had a neighbor and knew he was hunting it would be courtesy to use discretion and 1/4 mi not that close in my opinion 25 yds is. my issue would be if extremely close and hunting be responsible, daily routine is reasonable and I personally didn't expect neighbor to put life on hold but if out hunting know who's around you and be courteous to others its common sense. I think a lot of us deal with a lack of common courtesy in our hunting , and after reading others reactions on the two topics, I think more people don't value this principle, a lot more than I thought, its too bad a lot more hunters and less land these days makes it harder and if people worked together it would go a long way in my opinion.