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jkcmj Proficient

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That is some funny $hit there! I didn't know you could put a petition on their site like that... I wonder if it will stay active. Should be fun to see what it can get up to! Somehow I doubt we can get the 13000 plus they have put up, but we could possibley get more from the state of MN?

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+1 walleyefisher. Im not a bear hunter, although i would love to put one on the wall or the floor but The point of the collar is to gather info. and part of that info would be where when and how the animal died. and how it affects population. just my 2 cents.

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looking at the thread views, and the number of signatures(28 so far), we have approx 25% of those being asked to, signing the petition so far. Of the 130,000 Lilly fans, only about 17,625 have signed so far, or less than 15%. At least percentage wise, were winning!

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jwmiller33 Grand Master

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I have no dog in this fight, as I don't hunt nor do I have an interest in protecting the bears, but I have a few questions.... So there are what, 20 collared bears in MN and you guys are petitioning so it is legal to shoot them?(even though it already is legal to do so, if I'm not mistaken) If I did hunt bear, I would pass on shooting a collared bear

I think it would make more sense to fight to limit the number of bears that researchers can collar. Isn't that what you guys are afraid of, is researchers (or "tree huggers" according to some of you folks) are going to collar as many bears as possible to try to "save" them?

When the average Joe Shmoe American citizen who doesn't hunt looks at a bunch of hunters petitioning so they can shoot collared bears, it looks bad. The whole purpose behind putting collars on bears is to learn more about them so the species can be more effectively managed to benefit YOU, the hunter.

I guess my question is, if your afraid of them putting a collar on every bear possible, why don't you start a petition to limit the number of bears that can have collars on them? To me, it seems like that would be the better way to go about this problem. I guess if you really don't care about the species, go ahead and blast away all the collared bears you want. To each his own I guess

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I have no dog in this fight, as I don't hunt nor do I have an interest in protecting the bears, but I have a few questions.... So there are what, 20 collared bears in MN and you guys are petitioning so it is legal to shoot them?(even though it already is legal to do so, if I'm not mistaken) If I did hunt bear, I would pass on shooting a collared bear

I think it would make more sense to fight to limit the number of bears that researchers can collar. Isn't that what you guys are afraid of, is researchers (or "tree huggers" according to some of you folks) are going to collar as many bears as possible to try to "save" them?

When the average Joe Shmoe American citizen who doesn't hunt looks at a bunch of hunters petitioning so they can shoot collared bears, it looks bad. The whole purpose behind putting collars on bears is to learn more about them so the species can be more effectively managed to benefit YOU, the hunter.

I guess my question is, if your afraid of them putting a collar on every bear possible, why don't you start a petition to limit the number of bears that can have collars on them? To me, it seems like that would be the better way to go about this problem.

The DNR has said that the research done by the institute is not vital for bear health and populations in MN. They were in a no win situation either way they ruled.

Alot of these bears have basically become pets and it does not accurately reflect their life cycle in the wild.

I think people are afraid of that whole slippery slope deal. Give in a little and the antis will want more. Not sure if the approach being taken is correst but I do not think the DNR had much choice.

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Hmmm. My understanding was the collars were being put on by the DNR, like the tagging of fish done by the DNR. Guess that was not made clear for people unfamiliar with the situation like myself.

Obviously collaring bears isn't vital for their survival. Tagging fish isn't vital for the survival of fish species either, but the DNR sure does benefit from having the data.

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Hmmm. My understanding was the collars were being put on by the DNR, like the tagging of fish done by the DNR. Guess that was not made clear for people unfamiliar with the situation like myself.

Your'e correct. The way I understand it is that the bear researcher guy has a permit from the dnr to collar them.

Glad i'm not the guy in charge that has to handle this situation.

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The reason I signed is simply because this guy should not be able to reserve the bears for his personal use, and profit. His collared bears are completely habituated to people and he frequently walks up and pets them. I, for the life of me, cannot understand how his research of these tamed bears would help understand wild bears. Also, thinking about a young hunter that accidentally shoots a collared bear. That would be a no win situation with the young hunter being fined and probably discouraged from hunting.

I do not bear hunt. I may try it someday but probably not anytime soon. But I do discourage bear hunters from shooting collared bears. It is bad publicity for hunting and hunters. Which is something that should be avoided.

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I agree with jwmiller. I dont beleive these collared bears should be shot. This guys spends all summer playing, cuddeling, and feeding these bears out of his hand. It would be like shooting a pet. Theres no fun in that.

Choose a different fight like limiting the number of bears collared.

No vote for me.

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This guys spends all summer playing, cuddling, and feeding these bears out of his hand. It would be like shooting a pet

You said it exactly right there pretty much pets, how is it even research, they are no longer wild when he can cuddle with them and walk up to them and feed them. I have no problem with bear research and putting collars on them but i want the DNR to do it

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