harvey lee Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Most people think this fumbling is in his head. If you bench him, does that force it to his head even more? Does he think about it even more? Then what.... Your correct, it's not in his head but in the way he carries the ball. When he runs to the left, he should carry the ball in his left hand. That way when he gets hit by the sidelines or on the right side, he will not have the ball on the hit side but protected on his left side.Emmit Smith for Dallas was the same type runner and when he ran to the left, he carried the ball in his left hand and not his right. He did not have the handling issues AP does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croixflats Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 The second one, he was fighting off defensive players in front of him so his hand was free to cover the ball. He is a great runnig back, he just has to know when to cover the ball and with 3 players standing you up COVER THE BALL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassNspear Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 In a big important game against a very good team, those fumbles will cost the Vikes big time. cant agree more. but, he is one of the best in the game, and you cant hold that against him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 Any old high school/college tricks that someone knows? Maybe AP needs a trip down memory/basics lane... He knows he is awesome. If he has the presence of mind to run through a defensive line.. he should be able to process the concept of protecting the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTro Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Name one other current running back you would trade him for (fumbles and all).The reason he is fumbling is because he is running his a$$ off. Most guys are down on the ground in the same instances he is grunting and groaning for some extra yards and yes he will break away from time to time and score.Some guys just get the bad breaks sometimes. His fumbling will turn around eventually and in the meantime, his GREAT running will win games 10 fold over losing games due to fumbles.He is the best in the league. Period Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8icefishinmind Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 his fumbling is not cause he is running his a%% off, it is from bad technique!! Two games ago he broke a long run and was carrying the ball away from his body only to have a defender catch him and knock the ball away! Never said i would trade him for anyone just that he needs to fix some things......he is an amazing back but not the best in the league, YET! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8icefishinmind Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Chris Johnson from tennesse seems to be running his a$$ off the past few years and since the start of last season only has 2 fumbles compared to AP's 15!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey lee Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 The reason he is fumbling is because he is running his a$$ off.Not true Dtro.He does not carry the ball correctly or protect it very well.Yes he is darn good but just think how great he could be if he could hold onto the pigskin.Not sure where anyone said he was not a good running back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Foss Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Name one other current running back you would trade him for (fumbles and all). The reason he is fumbling is because he is running his a$$ off. Most guys are down on the ground in the same instances he is grunting and groaning for some extra yards and yes he will break away from time to time and score. Some guys just get the bad breaks sometimes. His fumbling will turn around eventually and in the meantime, his GREAT running will win games 10 fold over losing games due to fumbles. He is the best in the league. Period Yes, he IS the best in the league, IMHO. Every genius has his/her weakness. We know AP's. And so does every other defender in the NFL. So when they punch it out and he fumbles once in a game against bumblers it doesn't matter. When he fumbles once in a game in the playoffs he can keep his team from the Super Bowl, or keep it from winning the Super Bowl. There are two NFL seasons. As long as the Vikings graduate the first one, all is forgiven. If he costs the Vikings the second season, he'll be a Goat among Goats. Period. I for one hope it doesn't happen. I hate seeing good people laid low by circumstance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMITOUT Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Name one other current running back you would trade him for (fumbles and all). Chris Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRiverRat Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I will never consider AP to be a great RB because of his fumble issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishersofmen Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Chris Johnson is a stud......AP needs to stop swinging the ball around and just learn how to switch hands when he is on the sidelines. Still the best in the league, maybe not this year though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8icefishinmind Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 To be number one he needs to be more consistent during the game and learn to protect the ball......then he will be number one! He definetly has the talent and will to be the best in the league!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FISHINGURU Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 nice try guys but emmitt smith had the same ball handling issues he just didn't fumble...but he only held the ball in one hand.chris johnson is only good in open space and doesn't do the things to defenders that AP can do....you never see him lowering his pads and smashing whoever is in his way....when CJ is on the field its like a track meet.if AP ran out of bounds or didn't try to punish or fight for the last yard every single play he would never fumble....but then you wouldn't of seen 90% of the plays that make him awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dave2 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Emmit Smith for Dallas was the same type runner and when he ran to the left, he carried the ball in his left hand and not his right. He did not have the handling issues AP does. You didn't listen very closely to the game announcers today! Troy Aikman said specificaly that Emmit Smith Did NOT switch hands when he ran the ball and did not have issues with fumbling. It is not neccesarily a problem with AP's technique, although I am not too sure that anyone of us are in a position to critique AP's technique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dave2 Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 nice try guys but emmitt smith had the same ball handling issues he just didn't fumble...but he only held the ball in one hand.chris johnson is only good in open space and doesn't do the things to defenders that AP can do....you never see him lowering his pads and smashing whoever is in his way....when CJ is on the field its like a track meet.if AP ran out of bounds or didn't try to punish or fight for the last yard every single play he would never fumble....but then you wouldn't of seen 90% of the plays that make him awesome. This post is 100% correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zepman Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I agree also. What makes AP great is what also makes him vulnerable to the fumble. He just doesn't have it in him to "give up" on a run. I love the way he runs but he's going to need to come to his senses sooner rather than later. He not only puts his team in a bad situation when he fumbles but he's also taking years off his body and career every time he lowers his shoulder on the sidelines...see Earl Campbell.Johnson is good...a tremendous open field runner but they are not the same type of backs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTro Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Not one back in the league can "create plays" like AP. 31 of the 32 teams in the league would trade Chris Johnson for him. In a second. I think we call this nit picking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey lee Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 If Emmit didn't fumble, he did something different than AP.If we were lucky enough to go deep into the play offs, all I was trying to say is that AP's hands could lose the Vikes the game.Not quite sure where I said he was not a darn good running back.Geez, I wonder if maybe the great one should learn to run and hold onto the ball.When you know you are going to get creamed, hold that ball a bit tighter.One thing is almost certian, he may not ever get to the greatest running back in total yardage but I'll bet money that he will more than likely hold the fumble record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey lee Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Originally Posted By: harvey lee Emmit Smith for Dallas was the same type runner and when he ran to the left, he carried the ball in his left hand and not his right. He did not have the handling issues AP does. You didn't listen very closely to the game announcers today! Troy Aikman said specificaly that Emmit Smith Did NOT switch hands when he ran the ball and did not have issues with fumbling. It is not neccesarily a problem with AP's technique, although I am not too sure that anyone of us are in a position to critique AP's technique. Does not quite match what I believe I heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey lee Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Not one back in the league can "create plays" like AP. 31 of the 32 teams in the league would trade Chris Johnson for him. In a second. I think we call this nit picking. Not another back in this leaque has a line to open holes for him also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTro Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 What holes? Most everything AP has done this year has been by running outside and or cutting back away from the play. He may gain a fumble record, but I seem to recall a certain QB that has the interception record as well . Perfection will never be reached in this league and I stand by opinion that AP is THE BEST running back in the game right now and while fumbles are always a concern, be thankful we don’t have to watch Mewelde Moore every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey lee Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 I guess I should have said the holes and blocks.Or, maybe he is the only dude in the offense besides Farve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8icefishinmind Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 We wouldn't be watching mewelde.....we'd be watching a sure handed chester taylor!! And no i do not think taylor should be starting over AP nor do i think we should trade for chris johnson......just stating that to be an elite rb he needs to work on his ball handling!! He should be more worried about covering up the ball than laying a hit on someone!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassNspear Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 The reason he is fumbling is because he is running his a$$ off.Not true Dtro.He does not carry the ball correctly or protect it very well.Yes he is darn good but just think how great he could be if he could hold onto the pigskin.Not sure where anyone said he was not a good running back. I would have to disagree with you tom. Troy Aikman brought up a great point yesterday, that running backs are comfortable with one hand, and if that is the right, 9 times out of 10 they will carry it with that hand, no matter what way the defender is coming at them. I agree with Him 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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