Two game suspension

[zepman]

Knocking a woman out with a punch is never a non event .

The "non event" to what I was referring to is what started the fight in the 1st place...not the end result...

[Michael L]

Phony outrage. You're going to have to explain that one.

There is a difference between a slap and a left hook to the face. That's what ignited the outrage.

Doesn't matter what their relationship practices are. Homeboy committed a crime, the world seen it and now can judge him for that. It's out of the Rice's hands.

[CaptainMusky]

How would you know BigDave what her true feelings about the situation are? She loses everything by him losing his job and income. She's doing just what 86% of all similar cases where woman are abused/beaten. This is just more in the public eye and she has a mechanism to make comments whether they are real or not.

The problem I have with the punishment is it doesn't follow anything the NFL has or had in place. I'm sure Rice will fight this and win whether that leads to another chance I doubt it.

[Big Dave2]

Phony outrage. You're going to have to explain that one.

There is a difference between a slap and a left hook to the face. That's what ignited the outrage.

Doesn't matter what their relationship practices are. Homeboy committed a crime, the world seen it and now can judge him for that. It's out of the Rice's hands.

Phony outrage = Outrage that is not genuine. Everyone still knew what happened in that elevator before the second video was released. Where was the outrage then?

[Big Dave2]

How would you know BigDave what her true feelings about the situation are? She loses everything by him losing his job and income. She's doing just what 86% of all similar cases where woman are abused/beaten. This is just more in the public eye and she has a mechanism to make comments whether they are real or not.

The problem I have with the punishment is it doesn't follow anything the NFL has or had in place. I'm sure Rice will fight this and win whether that leads to another chance I doubt it.

I never once said I did know what her true feelings on the issue were but my point is, neither do you.

86% of all abused women marry their abuser?

If you think Rice is all done playing in the NFL, I believe you are kidding yourself.

[CaptainMusky]

I didn't say 86% of women who are abused marry their abuser clearly you didn't understand the stat. 14% of incidents get reported. Whether they are married, dating, acquaintances whatever. Yes I'm sure many women still marry the man who beat them. I see it on cops all the time. :-)

[Slabasaurus]

Where was the outrage then?

It was all out there. Especially directed towards the league for going soft on the 2 game suspension.

You hadn't seen/heard any of that?

[harvey lee]

As I stated before, there is NEVER any reason why a man should EVER hit a women, no excuse at all.

Totally agree Dr Jill, this kind of dump makes one sick. One is not a man if they a women.

Any man who would defend what that this loser did, well, I am not going type what I think of him, word filter would kick it out but I am sure the huge majority here knows what I would like to say.

I guess Big Dave has shown his true colors, good to many men do not think like Dave does. very sad to say theleast

[fishersofmen]

Harvey your affection for Big Dave cannot be hidden...

[PurpleFloyd]

So now reports came out today as I suspected they would that law enforcement sent a copy of that tape to the NFL months ago. Goodell should be banned from the league but my guess is that some low level clerical type will have to fall on the sword for him.

[Snag]

They just slowed it down again on tv and he spat on her twice before they entered the elevator.

[Nick Kuhn]

So now reports came out today as I suspected they would that law enforcement sent a copy of that tape to the NFL months ago. Goodell should be banned from the league but my guess is that some low level clerical type will have to fall on the sword for him.

Well, if the low level clerical type is the one that failed to escalate the video, then they deserve to fall on the sword. The NFL is a big organization, very easy for things to get lost in bureaucracy (I am certain my CEO doesn't know I exist, and I'm almost positive he doesn't even know my job function exists).

[fishersofmen]

Goodell is a liar. I watched that interview on cbs yesterday and it was obvious he was full of bull. The guy has been making around 45 million a year he should just walk away it isn't like he will be hurting.

[Hester]

Harvey your affection for Big Dave cannot be hidden...

Yup, just like when a boy teases a girl on the playground. He usually likes her.

[Big Dave2]

I guess Big Dave has shown his true colors, good to many men do not think like Dave does. very sad to say theleast

Please, let me know what my true colors are. While you're at it, please tell me how I think?

[Big Dave2]

I didn't say 86% of women who are abused marry their abuser clearly you didn't understand the stat.

No, it's you that doesn't understand. You believe that this case is like the 86% majority but yet she married the abuser. I believe that shoots holes in your theory as I don't believe the majority of women who are abused before marriage end up marrying the abuser.

What I am trying to get at that most here can't seem to understand is, why is it up to you and me to be outraged enough about this incident to completely throw this girl's life into a tailspin? If she obviously does not want anything to change in her life regarding her relationship with her husband, who are we to insist it should?

[CaptainMusky]

While you're at it, please tell me how I think?

This would imply that you actually do indeed think...

As to whether its "our" job to "ruin" this girl's life by turning it upside down, well I don't know how many more times I can say it but I don't believe the her comments are her true feelings.

Just look at her expression in every video of her.

[CaptainMusky]

. I believe that shoots holes in your theory as I don't believe the majority of women who are abused before marriage end up marrying the abuser.

clearly you don't understand. It was NEVER my point that the majority of women abused before marriage marry their abuser.

[Big Dave2]

clearly you don't understand. It was NEVER my point that the majority of women abused before marriage marry their abuser.

You still don't get it. What a shock.

[Big Dave2]

As to whether its "our" job to "ruin" this girl's life by turning it upside down, well I don't know how many more times I can say it but I don't believe the her comments are her true feelings.

Just look at her expression in every video of her.

How about her expression when she was hitting him and going after him? Didn't look like sheer terror to me.

[DrJill]

I absolutely agree that there is never any excuse for a man to hit a woman.

I'm just saying that I'm not going to join the media blinded masses in expressing fake outrage like everyone else here.

Gibberish

[DrJill]

What I am trying to get at that most here can't seem to understand is, why is it up to you and me to be outraged enough about this incident to completely throw this girl's life into a tailspin?

First, I don't believe for a second you're concerned about the victims life.

Why am I outraged ? Because the perp committed a violent felony and never faced a trial or plead guilty to a lesser charge. 125 bucks for counciling ... that was the price he paid for knocking a woman unconcious in an elevator. He could have killed her with that whollop.

Cheaper than the average speeding ticket.

[DrJill]

I stated this ...

Now you seem to be saying she was asking for it.

because you're asserting the victim of the felony was actually the aggressor.

Combine that with the old "Apparently she didn't mind it too much" attitude and

you've revealed yourself to be a neanderthal.

Woman have heard this line of arguement in re other felonies. It's sick.

[Nick Kuhn]

Goodell is a liar. I watched that interview on cbs yesterday and it was obvious he was full of bull. The guy has been making around 45 million a year he should just walk away it isn't like he will be hurting.

My understanding is now that the police sent the video to an NFL executive, but the video was not received under proper legal procedures. Thus NFL lawyers would have advised the destruction of the video and said to omit everything seen in the video from the decision. Otherwise it was a free out for Rice if his lawyers ever chose to fight the decision passed down by the NFL, as the NFL did not acquire the video through a lawful process.

This is one of those cases where due process impedes the right decision. What the NFL is doing now is willful ignorance: basically mitigating the monetary damage because whatever they do they stand to only lose. Nobody is happier the video went public than the NFL. It gave them a free out to pass down the decision they probably would have sought from the start. We ended up at the right place after all, the legal system just slowed the process significantly.

"The NFL maintains that the league was not permitted access to the elevator footage of Ray Rice assaulting his then-fiancee Janay Palmer, an assertion the New Jersey attorney general confirmed.

A spokesman for the attorney general's office told ABC News on Tuesday afternoon it would have been illegal to give the NFL a copy of the video. This remains consistent with the NFL's statements that requests for the video were denied. The league's office maintains that the NFL had not seen the video prior to Monday's release by TMZ. The video depicts Rice knocking Palmer unconscious."

[zepman]

I think the NFL and Goodell had seen the video...

What if Goodell and NFL officials sent the video to TMZ...mind you, four days before his suspension was set to expire...perfect timing, right?! Goodell has already been on record of saying, "we got this decision wrong"?!

How the H does TMZ get this video?!?! How...??

Like I said in a few pages back, this "thing" is just getting started....