T.O. AKA Cancer...

[lawdog]

I see Owens is now talking trade with the Eagles since they won't redo his ONE YEAR OLD contract. The guy is just a cancer. I seriously don't know why any team would take him. Lots here complained about Moss, but he's twice the athlete and half the problems this jackass is!

[Ole #1]

1200 yards, 14 td's in 2004 and he broke his leg. On the field he's all business, no one can argue that. I'd love to have TO in purple.

[Stratosman]

No thanks to that, we got rid of one baby, don't want another. Oh, wait, he's worried about his familys' well being.

[muskybuck]

I do not think you would see T.O. walking off the field before the game is over. In fact he played the final game last year with a bad leg and still looked better than Moss would of healthy. I would love to see him making Favre look good.

[mnwild]

Favre makes himself look good, doesn't need any help.

And yes he does have his pathetic games.

[Farley]

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I do not think you would see T.O. walking off the field before the game is over. In fact he played the final game last year with a bad leg and still looked better than Moss would of healthy. I would love to see him making Favre look good.

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In my opinion, T.O. is worse than Moss as far as being a cancer. Also if the Eagles final game of the season wasnt the super bowl, do you think he still would have played? That shows how selfish he is. Cant play in the playoffs but magically his leg is good for the Super Bowl. Bullsh*t.

[MJR]

Gonna take a lot more than TO to make farve look good this season.

TO is so much worse of a teammate than Moss is. Remember when he was wrestling with the coach on the niners sideline? I would love to see him on the Packers sideline just to listen to the Packer fans talk about how classy he is.

TO through 9 years

669 catches

9772 Yards

14.6 Avg

95 TD

Moss Through 7 years

574 catches

9142 Yds

15.9 Avg

90 TD's

Moss over Owens anyday.

[Eric Wettschreck]

Not being up to snuff on the stats, I'd say that Moss is a better receiver. As far as football players goes, they both suck. These types of players are what is absolutely wrong with the direction pro sports is heading, or has gone depending on how you look at it.

TO is a cancer to what ever team he's on. So was/is Moss. I honestly don't understand why a coach would allow him to argue with them the way he does.

If TO is sooooooooooo darn great he'd show up to camp without all this hoopla, lead by example, and perform above expectation without excuse.

None of these things will happen, and that makes him a cancer.

[fishyguy]

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I do not think you would see T.O. walking off the field before the game is over. In fact he played the final game last year with a bad leg and still looked better than Moss would of healthy. I would love to see him making Favre look good.

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Would you love seeing hold out one year after signing a massive long term contract? Would you also love to see him berate your QB in the papers? Would you also love to see him go after your coaches physically and verbally?

I will take the cap room, the locker room harmony, and a Nate Burleson over TO any day. I don't want to root for guys like that. I wan't to cheer for guys like Burleson, Culpepper, Wiggins, and Moe Williams. Heck, in a different uniform I would root for Driver, Farve and Ferguson. They show up every week, work their butts off and take care of their teamates. I will take rooting for a losing team with guys like that than trying to put my heart into a winning team of TO's.

[PierBridge]

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I do not think you would see T.O. walking off the field before the game is over. In fact he played the final game last year with a bad leg and still looked better than Moss would of healthy. I would love to see him making Favre look good.

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Thats funny....oh Green Bay is not on Terrel's list of teams he would play for.

I do agree that Owens as a talent is equal to Moss but is much more of a Cancer then Moss if you took poll of players that played with these 2 you would find that players generally like Moss and can't stand Owens who continually has berated his teammates both in private and publicly.

Yeah I know he walked off the Field "even though that game and another frustrating Vikings season was over" and he should not have, Owens is a total moron and will be All Pro for Philly this year.

[Green&Gold]

I know, I know, you probably automatically assume I am biased due to my avatar, but...

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I do agree that Owens as a talent is equal to Moss but is much more of a Cancer then Moss

if you took poll of players that played with these 2 you would find that players generally like Moss

and can't stand Owens who continually has berated his teammates both in private and publicly.

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I have a very close friend who is a huge Vikes fan. He was at an autograph signing with Matt Birk (a stand up guy in my opinion) and was able to sneak a quick question. What did he ask him? Well, he said, what do you think of Moss getting traded? Birk responded, "We're all glad he's gone."

Now, I am not siding with T.O. on this one. I just thought Birk's comment was interesting and a good indicator of how one player's self-centered attitude can affect the whole team. I think both T.O. and Moss are "cancers" whos' attitudes and antics have a negative affect on their teams regardless of how many great plays they make...and I agree they both can make great plays.

One last thing: I am a diehard Packers fan, and NO, I would not want to see T.O. "making Favre look good." Every team has their bad apples. Although some Packers fans have rose colored glasses, I'll admit that we have ours too, and we DON'T need one more.

[Down to Earth]

Owens a Packer?? That is the last thing we need. Two hold out wideouts represented by the same agent. Philly can keep him and the headaches.

On the Moss comparison, I think if I had to choose I would go with Moss. Both are great receivers and bring a different game to the table, I guess it would maybe depend on what I was looking for in a wideout.

[muskybuck]

T.O. would be great for the Packers. One year contract only. It would show the Packer hold outs that there are replacements. Unlike Moss, T.O. plays to win. Unlike Moss, T.O. will go anywhere, anytime to catch the ball. T.O. is twice as strong and twice as physical as Moss. Unlike Moss, T.O. will show up to play because it is game day, not because today I think I feel like playing. Oh yeah, the Packers could use T.O. big time, of course it will never happen. One year contracts is the only way to go with these super ego men. That multi year contract was the worst thing that ever happened to Moss and the Vikes.

[196thDLR]

T.O. or Moss? Which one would you want on your TEAM? Not either one. Neither one has any idea of what team chemistry is, or what it takes to acheive it. When a person signs his or her name to a contract, thats' it. You have given your word to the world that, this is what you will do for the length of the contract. Some people are good at their given word, and some people are not. Apparently, T.O.'s is not.

[Ole #1]

Musky, this is the first time I agree with you.

The reason TO wants more money is because he's paid less than 9 other WR's. If I was the best WR or even #2, I would want that money. Why should someone not as good as TO get paid more, how is that fair? I understand he signed a contract, but do you think the eagles will honor it the last 2 or 3 years when the bulk of his money is due? No way.

[james_walleye]

Have you guys seen T.O.'s history? Come on now. This guy puts Moss too shame on the crybaby cancer scale. They have goods, and they both have bads. You can argue all you want Musky about Moss, but numbers dont lie. You dont catch 106 balls in a season by just running fly patterns. You dont catch 17 TD's in a season by running nothing but fly patterns. The guy is 10 times the threat Owens is, just listen too defense coordinators when they have too game plan against Moss. It wasnt gameplanning the vikings, it was gameplanning Moss, and yet it still didnt work most of the time. I cant stand these fools that hold out. You signed a contract now own up too it and go play the game. And its 10 times worse in Owens case, the guy just signed a year ago. I dont care how many recievers are paid more than he is, why did he sign on the dotted line??!! He was a terrible teammate in SF and it only took 1 offseason and look what he is doing in Philly.

[Down to Earth]

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Musky, this is the first time I agree with you.

The reason TO wants more money is because he's paid less than 9 other WR's. If I was the best WR or even #2, I would want that money. Why should someone not as good as TO get paid more, how is that fair? I understand he signed a contract, but do you think the eagles will honor it the last 2 or 3 years when the bulk of his money is due? No way.

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Unfortunately from the player's standpoint this is how the collective bargaining agreement is written. Why did they agree to it if they don't like it. The way to make a point about it is when there current contract runs out. They should be emphasizing to the union that this is a major point they want address during the next negotiations. Holding out during camp and during the season is not the way to be going about it.

As a fan do you really want guarenteed contracts? I don't follow basketball much, but look at the Wolves and Troy Hudson. He had a good year 2 years ago, got a big contract and now they are stuck. Hudson proved to be a fluke in the pan, had a horrible year and probably will suck again next year and the Wolves can't do anything about it.

[Ole #1]

Good point. Why can't the eagles re-work TO's contract so he can earn the money he wants, if he performs x amount of stats?

I think that would be fair for both sides. I just don't think it's right for the eagles to not negotiate period, they should do something to make they're best player happy.

[james_walleye]

I dont think the eagles should negotiate jack. It was 1 year ago he inked this deal. He knew what he was signing, he knew how the contract was structured. Its not like this guy is 5 years into a 7 year contract and wants more. Hes into this 1 year. 1 friggin year. That my friend is a first class joke. You dont see NFL teams 1 year into a players deal wanting too renegotiate a contract because that player was a bust or didnt perform too expectations. I mean why do some of these guys even sign a contract. What does a contract mean anymore if this dump can go on after the first year of a deal? Its getting so stupid.

[fishyguy]

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Musky, this is the first time I agree with you.

The reason TO wants more money is because he's paid less than 9 other WR's. If I was the best WR or even #2, I would want that money. Why should someone not as good as TO get paid more, how is that fair? I understand he signed a contract, but do you think the eagles will honor it the last 2 or 3 years when the bulk of his money is due? No way.

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If he signed a contract and is now unhappy with it, who's fault is it? His and his agents. They understand how the agreements work, they signed it and this may be all part of a master plan from day one. If it is, the Eagles are calling their bluff and they are going to lose.

[Farley]

If I were the Eagles management, I'd trade that SOB to Baltimore, you know, the team he was supposed to be traded to last year but pulled an Eli Manning on them.

[juggs]

Excellent comment, Boilerguy. Asking to choose between Moss and Owens is liking asking whether you want to die a slow painful death by disease A or disease B. I don't see a lesser of two evils here. They both drag their team down, just in different ways. The Matt Birk comment says it all. Doesn't surprise me a bit if it's true.

[james_walleye]

Well the whole thing is the guy inked a deal that was stuctured so that he got paid really big last year and not so much this year. Thats why 9 some odd guys will get paid more than he will this year. He is the one who agreed too this structure. So now after he was paid huge last year you think the eagles should give into him and give him a new contract so he can get paid absolutely huge again? Wrong. You dont sign a contract if you dont like how the 2nd and 3rd years will pay out too you. This fool signed the contract knowing full well alot of his big deal was going too be paid up front and now he thinks he can get away with being a crybaby too get a new deal again.

[Farley]

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Well the whole thing is the guy inked a deal that was stuctured so that he got paid really big last year and not so much this year. Thats why 9 some odd guys will get paid more than he will this year. He is the one who agreed too this structure. So now after he was paid huge last year you think the eagles should give into him and give him a new contract so he can get paid absolutely huge again? Wrong. You dont sign a contract if you dont like how the 2nd and 3rd years will pay out too you. This fool signed the contract knowing full well alot of his big deal was going too be paid up front and now he thinks he can get away with being a crybaby too get a new deal again.

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That brings up an interesting point. Maybee it was a ploy by his agent that told him to sign the dotted line and next year hold out to get more $$$.

[james_walleye]

I dont think there is any doubt about that Farley. Load up the front end of the deal, take that huge up front money. Then threaten too sit out and try too get paid big again. Thats why i say i hope the eagles dont give a single inch. Not after 1 stinking year.