New AIS law

[DTro]

Well, I was just being honest. The bait we use for Flatheads is really unique and it takes a lot of babysitting and what not to keep it fresh and ready to go. Most all of us have large homemade tanks at home and transport our bait with very large containers or coolers. It's not quite as simple as it sounds, especially if you do it a lot.

Tell me this, does it make common sense to have to change out your water at the launch if no other water touched your bucket or cooler?

[ANYFISH2]

In a perfect world no, it doesn't make sense. At the same, flathead fishermen are a very small percentage of anglers in Mn, the rules are made to make the biggest impact over the whole state. It would probably be just to hard to enforece with exceptions.

BTW. You should show me how to fish for those beasts of the dark!

[Alagnak]

Its the same water from my tap I'm changing out and putting in 'new' tap water 8 hours later! I don't even have a livewell. Only now that water has baked in the back of my truck IF my container isn't ripped off. Common sense is not common, especially in government run agencies. It's all just one big wizz in the wind. And we're all going to have it on us along with empty pockets to show for our effort. Please tell me what is being done to those that brought these here? Nothing. Business as usual. We're just the puppets being used to make people feel good inside because they tried. Look at what has worked around the rest of the world.

[harvey lee]

Well since it appears that the general concensus is that nothing can be done, I will not call the DNR to see if they have done any checmical testing or further inprovements or research as it appears that would be a waste of time. My State rep replied with the needed info for the AIS contact at the DNR but I guess I wasted my time and his since there is no reason to follow through and waste everyones time.

Now I am like alot of others, who cares.

As far as changing out bait DTro, I have done it many times and for the few minutes it takes to do that, one could stop fishing 2 minutes earlier. Not a reason to not comply, just sounds like an excuse. A cooler locked in the back seat of the truck with a bag or block of ice in another snmaller one with an aerater. Take the bait and dump them ib the water in the cooler and plug the aerater in the cig lighter. I not only do it on the river by the lakes I also fish if I am using live bait. I know, that would also take a few minutes to do and is too much to ask for our resource. 6 days a week times 3 minutes max, we are talking 18 minutes for the week of fishing for total time to try. That is nothing even if one was still working. Just so you know, I am also up at 4:30 am and I have plenty to do during the day. Do you think I sleep all day? Very poor assumption on your part been doing it for a year plus now and it is nowhere as hard as you try to make it sound.

Really does not take as long as I statted to move the bait from the boat to the truck as when you get home, you only have to dump the bait in the tamk at home as you have already took the bullies or whatever out of the cooler in the boat or the livewell.

I still have heard nothing from some of the ones who are so against this but they seems to have no altenative to try something. I guess trying is a total waste of time too.

[harvey lee]

Well, I was just being honest. The bait we use for Flatheads is really unique and it takes a lot of babysitting and what not to keep it fresh and ready to go. Most all of us have large homemade tanks at home and transport our bait with very large containers or coolers. It's not quite as simple as it sounds, especially if you do it a lot.

Tell me this, does it make common sense to have to change out your water at the launch if no other water touched your bucket or cooler?

May I ask how any Co would know where your water came from?

[heat checker]

It may have been covered since I skipped from 1st page to present, but docks, boatlifts that are sold and moved from one body of water, by common logic, will collect more invasive species than any moving boat will. Has this been addressed?

[harvey lee]

It may have been covered since I skipped from 1st page to present, but docks, boatlifts that are sold and moved from one body of water, by common logic, will collect more invasive species than any moving boat will. Has this been addressed?

Yes, under the new law, I believe one has to let the dock sit for a time period like a week before it is moved. I may be wrong but I believe I read that after a short period of time, it will be clean after so long out of the water and in the hot sun.

[DTro]

Well within the next few years there will be NO place to legally get bait for catfishing, so it won't matter anyways.

To be honest, there are very few places to legally get bait RIGHT NOW.

Hopefully this AIS crud will go the way of the bird flu.

[foo]

This is typical govt stuff---throw a bunch of money at a problem that's already happened---make a bunch of new laws---waste time and solve nothing---this looks just like the Federal level.

This is all happening now because of the lake shore associations. It has nothing to do with the DNR. They are just doing as they are told. The LA are worried about their property values and that is really all this is about.

The funny thing is mother nature will decide how this goes and not those people with really green grass right to the edge of the lake.

And to Harvey, use 100% of the money to the research on how control it---that is if you are worried so much it will ruin everything. For once get ahead the problem---not behind it.

[Scott K]

My baitwell doesnt drain easy, so it isnt even the transferring the bait, it is getting in there and scooping out 20 gallons of water out of my livewell with a cup, at 1 am in the dark.

What used to be, back the truck in, drive boat on to trailer, hook on winch, and safety chain, drive home, go to sleep. Get off work, toss in a couple more bullheads to top off what was used last night, back trailer in water, unload boat, park truck, fish, and repeat.

Now it is, fill livewell with water, fill cooler with water (cant use Henderson water, so I need to either buy water to fill livewell, and cooler, or use it from my bait tank at home, so that means carrying 5 gallon pales of water to my boat to fill the livewell, and cooler, fun since I have bad shoulders), net out a few dozen of bullheads out of my tank, put it in the cooler, drive to landing (3 blocks), try to catch all 3 dozen bullheads out of cooler, so I can transfer them now to the boat, remove drain plug access cover, find drain plug, reach shoulder deep to install drain plug, reinstall, access cover, unload boat, park truck, fish, load boat at 1 am, remove access cover for drain plug, reach up to my shoulder to find the plug, try to wiggle it out of the hole, reinstall access cover, try to catch all of the bullheads from the livewell, transfer to cooler, that may not be in the back of the truck yet, find cup, bail out 20 gallons of water out of the livewell, drive home (3 blocks), drain cooler, grab remaining bullheads from cooler, put back into bait tank. repeat tomorrow after work.

It is more then 2 minutes!

I guess I have to question how they can ticket me for transferring AIS, when if there is any AIS in my boat, I will just bring it back to the same body of water, 3 blocks away in about 12 hours? So I am assumed guilty of transferring AIS when it wont be transferred to any other body of water? Now dont get me wrong, that 1 time in 3 years my boat sees other water, I clean it out good prior to it seeing the new water.

[RumRiverRat]

Just put a sticker on your boat 4wanderingeyes, it will create an AIS free zone around your boat and you will have nothing to worry about.

[IcePro]

Putting a sticker on a boat, removing weeds from boat/trailer and pulling the drain plug will not stop the spread but will slow down the spreading to other lakes.

It is like wiping your shoes on a rug before entering your house, it will not keep your carpet clean but will keep it looking cleaner longer.

[Might_B_A_Pike]

Harvey lee, You say that no one has offered any solutions worth suggesting to state lawmakers or DNR, I felt the idea I had on the second page was a decent one. Obviously it cannot stop all AIS, but it can at least be a good effort to slow the spread and educate boat owners. I would be interested in your feedback. I did think it was funny that the only response I got was someone saying they should "junk" their boat and get a new one after each outing, because that is obviously what I said we should do…False.

Some people raise the issue of not being able to get all the water out of their boat, maybe a wet/dry shop vac could do the trick, even if its not till you get home.

As far as the stickers go, people need to stop the sarcastic remarks, they are not helpful and get in the way of a good conversation to try and actually come up with a valid idea to propose to DNR / Law-makers. The DNR is very well aware that they need to deal with human nature, in a perfect world everyone would sit down and read the regs from cover to cover, but they don't. it’s the same reason the government has to pay for TV ads showing that texting and driving is illegal. The stickers are there for awareness and education. I say at least they are trying, and if you want to talk about wasteful spending in the government the stickers are probably not the biggest issue we need to address.

[Alagnak]

dam it I just spit coffee out. :-) Thanks

Just put a sticker on your boat 4wanderingeyes, it will create an AIS free zone around your boat and you will have nothing to worry about.

[TruthWalleyes]

Harvey, What kind of boat do you have? Chances are it retains water within strength ribs like many other boats do.

Get off the box and start realizing that you cannot stop the transfer, or even slow it down by doing only what the DNR is asking.

The first time i get pulled over by DNR. I'm unhooking my trailer, and picking it up as high as i can. Even as 3-4 gallons of water drains onto the DNR's feet they will not be able to write me a ticket, because my plug was pulled, my bait was drained, my livewell drained...yet still lots of water in the boat to bring to the next lake...Cant stop it...Move On...How to Kill It? or Maintain it at minimum levels? DON'T KNOW...BUT YOU SHOULD ASK YOUR REPS THAT QUESTION.

[Scott K]

If they need it to be on a sticker, just print it on the license tabs, then every boat will have it. If their goal is to get everyone aware of it, how about this, when you go in to get your new tabs for your boat, have them read a quick 1 page simple rule chart, then have them take a quick 5 question quiz before they can get their tabs.

Question 1: Do you need to pull your plug before leaving the boat landing? Yes or NO

Question 2: Can you use lake water to transfer your bait from lake to lake? Yes or NO

Question 3: Do you need to have a stupid sticker on your boat by 2014? Yes or NO

ETC...

[Scott K]

As far as the stickers go, people need to stop the sarcastic remarks, they are not helpful and get in the way of a good conversation to try and actually come up with a valid idea to propose to DNR / Law-makers. The DNR is very well aware that they need to deal with human nature, in a perfect world everyone would sit down and read the regs from cover to cover, but they don't. it’s the same reason the government has to pay for TV ads showing that texting and driving is illegal. The stickers are there for awareness and education. I say at least they are trying, and if you want to talk about wasteful spending in the government the stickers are probably not the biggest issue we need to address.

I would think that the DNR would expect criticism about their best effort is putting a sticker on everyones boats, dont you think?

You say they are trying, well putting a sticker on a boat isnt going to do anything, and that is why it is criticized so much. Their other best effort is to pull people over just because they are towing a boat, really? Come on! That will be a huge waste of money for the court system as it will be drug out in court until the law is changed. If anyone gets a ticket after being randomly stopped by the DNR because you are towing a boat, I sure hope you fight it!

If they want to prevent it, they will need someone at every landing, of every lake that is infested with AIS, and having someone instecting every boat. But as pointed out, even doing your best inspecting and draining everything, it wont do much good, being the keel, and other parts of your boat will still hold several gallons of water.

My suggustion, when you buy your license tabs for that boat, you can choose to fish AIS infested waters, or non infested waters, and you cant swop from one to the other. You want to fish both lakes, you need 2 different boats, one licensed for each. That is about the only way to slow it down. But then you need to worry about birds, animals, wind, docks, etc..

[reinhard1]

the DNR knows that you cant get every drop of water out of your boat. just following the basic steps including lowering your motor to get rid of the water in the prop area. if you pull your plug after your done fishing i'm assuming you also put the plug in your boat prior to putting your boat in the water again. that plug prevents water from going in the lake as well [any small amount left from prior use of the boat]. none of these current regs will change anything for me as far as enjoying my day now and regs have never changed my enjoyment from being out in the past. Harvey is just looking for ideas on this. who knows maby someone can have a constructive idea and pass it on the the DNR. good luck.

[raymondk]

the sticker does one good thing it tell you what is expected of you so you can't act stupid when the dnr checks you out .the stupid act won't work.I feel this is the real reason for the sticker.I still seen alot of boats leaving the lake which is infested with milfoil with weeds hanging off there trailer on expensive bass boats no plugs pulled.

[Alagnak]

Ignorance is no excuse of the law anywhere else, why would it be here even without the stickers?

the sticker does one good thing it tell you what is expected of you so you can't act stupid when the dnr checks you out .the stupid act won't work.I feel this is the real reason for the sticker.I still seen alot of boats leaving the lake which is infested with milfoil with weeds hanging off there trailer on expensive bass boats no plugs pulled.

[GrizzlyAdams]

ME ME ME ME ME ME. The problem with this world is most people only think about themselves and how it impacts them. Time to think about the big picture and what helps EVERYONE not just what kind of a pain in the butt this will be for YOU.

Its all about me. It's gonna take ME a lot longer. Blah blah blah.

As Harveylee said come up with a better solution rather than to complain about how much it affects YOU.

Never seen or heard so many supposedly grown men whine and cry about something. Really makes me sick. GROW UP AND FACE THE FACTS.

Seriously this thread is turning into a bunch of whiny women.

I have no solution at this time but you will not see me whining like a little girl about it either.

OK go a head and bash me now and continue your little whining rants and keep proving me right.

[ALL_IN]

ME ME ME ME ME ME. The problem with this world is most people only think about themselves and how it impacts them. Time to think about the big picture and what helps EVERYONE not just what kind of a pain in the butt this will be for YOU.

Its all about me. It's gonna take ME a lot longer. Blah blah blah.

As Harveylee said come up with a better solution rather than to complain about how much it affects YOU.

Never seen or heard so many supposedly grown men whine and cry about something. Really makes me sick. GROW UP AND FACE THE FACTS.

Seriously this thread is turning into a bunch of whiny women.

I have no solution at this time but you will not see me whining like a little girl about it either.

OK go a head and bash me now and continue your little whining rants and keep proving me right.

AMEN!!! I agree 100%, when you go to the DNR webpage... it tells you the deal.

Q. Where does the decal need to be attached on the watercraft?

A. The decal must be attached to the watercraft, but state law does not specify where it needs to be attached. It does not need to be in view of the operator as with the personal watercraft decal. It does not need to be placed near the watercraft registration decals and is not recommended to be in that area of the boat. It is recommended to display it where it can be read and can be shown to an officer upon request.

If the owner does not want to stick the decal on the boat because it is an antique wooden boat or other unique boat, they may attach the decal to an object or laminate it and attach it like a luggage tag.

That means you can attach it on a zip tie, remove it if needed, no sticky mess, what is the big deal! Seriously?

ALL-IN

[Scott K]

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That means you can attach it on a zip tie, remove it if needed, no sticky mess, what is the big deal! Seriously?

The big deal is it is dumb, and wont solve anything.

Did you need to put a new sticker on your car when the law changed that you needed to wear your seat belt?

How about a sticker that you put on your gun that says you cant use a spot light to shine deer at night?

If you own a pistol, how about a sticker that says you cant use it for robberies?

How about a sticker that comes with all baseball bats that says you cant use it to bust windshields in cars?

I didnt get any of those stickers, so I should be able to do those things right? Or are they not against the law because there isnt a sticker for it?

Can you understand the reason people are against the stickers? It isnt that it is a inconvenience, it is more of, why?

Should there be a sticker on every pair of pants that says dont pee into the wind? If we didnt have a sticker, how would we know we shouldnt do that?

If we all had stickers for every law, then everyone would know, and no laws would ever be broken. Speed limits wouldnt be broken, there wouldnt be any murders, because everyone would have a sticker! Why havent the govt thought of this before, BRILLIANT!

[foo]

Ok here is a suggestion that has been suggested a dozen times or so....why not work on controlling it instead of wasting money on something that is impossible to stop....it is just basic common sense.....

Don't worry though---- that's what they will be working on in four years from now or so, after they completely wasted money during that whole time period.

Get ahead of the problem...not behind it like we clearly are. Proactive not reactive.

This will never happen because, it will look to the lake associations like they aren't doing anything.... as long as they can see these silly stickers and glorified power washers that WILL STOP NOTHING---they will be happy.

I think people are probably frustrated (whiny) that they are completely wasting money doing it this way, is my guess.

[reinhard1]

why would controlling AIS be impossible or even in some cases even erradicate an invasive. perhapst if you dont try. research, study, and application did it for the sea lamprey and they are not completly gone but very well controlled, thuse bringing back a great fishery to the great lakes. again, anyone against that effort? the sticker argument is a red herring and plays a minor roll in the budget. it's part of educating the public since tons of signs, and pages of information in the regs seems not to be working with some. i think it's good to let off a little steam, and people are frustrated, because most follow the regs and have been all their lives. it's time to start to fine the few who just dont pay attention or follow the regs. why wait till 2014? we have had stickers, information, and signs at boat landings for years. good luck.