Main reason why baiting should be outlawed.

[zepman]

Because the vast majority of hunters in this state do not consider baiting to be fair chase.

+1

[jay83196]

Really how many times does this need to be argued? I say legalize it and if you want to bait do it if not shut up and don't.....IMO it should be illegal 100% or not at all, not just for hunting, as it stands this just makes what seems to be the main argument of spreading disease ridiculous.

[sticknstring]

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Really how many times does this need to be argued?

It won't stop until Big Dave puts the bat down and lets the poor horse be. That's animal cruelty right there!

[Bear55]

Baiting is too easy, and I don't like to fish at the tanks in Cabelas.

[hockeybc69]

I will speak for Dave....

Bear, your making assumptions again.

[Jameson]

...I've never heard of a good reason to allow men to wear Speedos either.

Old saying between married couples, "I don't care where you get your appetite, just as long as you eat at home."

[Roosterslayer05]

Baiting effects deer movement. If baiting were legal and your neihbor baited and you dident it would effect the guy not placing bait because the deer would move to the woods that holds the food. What would happen? Guys that dont like baiting would have to start baiting to hold deer on their property or think they have to bait to keep up. Then almost everyone would bait.

I know everyone cant shoot a deer or our deer population would plummit, but really guys?? Is it that hard to shoot a deer? Iv been deer hunting twice and iv shot two deer. I dont deer hunt but I know I would shoot a deer every year if I went. Its called scouting and being patient. Gaining knowledge on how to hunt deer and knowing what to look for. Thats hunting. The guy throwing a bait pile out is unethical and lazy. He doesent want to put the work in and figure things out. He wants to throw out a bait pile and have a deer walk up to it opening morning. If you have private land and you havent shot a deer for awhile hunt public land then. Theres public land I hunt for other species that are crawling with deer and people dont even deer hunt it. The bottom line is this; the guys that put in the effort shoot the deer. If you dont want to put in the effort your not going to do well. Baiting takes away from that.

[Wensel]

because i dont want to be in the woods with a hunter (and I use the term loosly) who needs corn to shoot a deer in MN

[Basseyes]

I just like to think for myself as an independant thinker and not let anyone else do my thinking for me. This is an issue of logics and I personaly just don't see a logical reason for making baiting illegal other than the fact that some people don't like it. I just don't think that ANYTHING should be illegal just because I don't like it, there should be a REAL reason why something should be punishable by law.

Most hunters, by the fact they hunt, are independent thinkers, as well as doers. Little in hunting gels well with the modern day populous mentality. Hunting takes mental will power to go against the grain.

The aspect of if there is no reason for something to "stay" illegal we should allow it, is not independent thinking. It's sitting in the shallow end of the kiddy pool splashing around making noise. I respect your opinion. I respect the fact you are going against what the majority of hunters in our state don't want. I am one of them. That does not mean we are being illogical or jumping on the crowded band wagon.

Fact of the matter is baiting is illegal. So in a logical format, the logical question is not, why should baiting be outlawed. It already is. But more so "why should baiting be legalized?" The fact that there isn't a reason in your mind is your logic. For many other independent, logical thinkers, their question is why should it be legal? Many, out of respect for your opinion, have gone out of their way to answer your question. Yet you have not answered their question, to reasons we should over turn the law and make it legal, which in turn about, is a fair question imo.

Why do we hunt coyotes at night but not deer? I think it would be a hoot on a moon light night to go deer hunting. With all the legal equipment we have now there would be little danger or risk in it. So why is that illegal in all logical thinking?

I would like to be able to use a sound suppressor but that's not legal and makes little sense when they are legal in other states.

I would like the option of using more than one line for fishing in MN, like we are allowed on border waters.

It would be nice if we were able in a few years to use a cell phone, the Internet and trail cameras to sneak up on prey at a bait pile.

We could go through a laundry list of legalities and reasons why this or that is legal or not. But the fact of the matter is there has to be laws whether you or I like them or not. Or whether there is logical reason to us independent thinkers.

[Big Dave2]

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Fact of the matter is baiting is illegal. So in a logical format, the logical question is not, why should baiting be outlawed. It already is. But more so "why should baiting be legalized?" The fact that there isn't a reason in your mind is your logic. For many other independent, logical thinkers, their question is why should it be legal? Many, out of respect for your opinion, have gone out of their way to answer your question. Yet you have not answered their question, to reasons we should over turn the law and make it legal, which in turn about, is a fair question imo.

IMO there are plenty of laws on the books that need to be looked at and possibly overturned. Just because something is illegal right now does not mean that it always will be. Times change and so does perception.

I subscribe to the theory that in a society such as ours where citizens have rights and freedoms,

EVERYTHING should be legal until there is a good reason to make it not legal. Obviously there is a good reason to make murder or theft illegal and punishable by law so thats what we do. All I am asking is if there really is that GOOD reason why this law should have been written. So the answer to your question is that it should be legal because there is not a good reason to make it illegal. There are plenty of things that we do in society that do not have some sort of a benefit attached to them but we allow the behavior because there is no good reason not too. Example: we allow men to dress in womens clothing if they desire because there is not a good enough reason to outlaw the behavior even though there is not a good reason why we should allow it.

[Big Dave2]

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Why do we hunt coyotes at night but not deer? I think it would be a hoot on a moon light night to go deer hunting. With all the legal equipment we have now there would be little danger or risk in it. So why is that illegal in all logical thinking?

I would like to be able to use a sound suppressor but that's not legal and makes little sense when they are legal in other states.

I would like the option of using more than one line for fishing in MN, like we are allowed on border waters.

It would be nice if we were able in a few years to use a cell phone, the Internet and trail cameras to sneak up on prey at a bait pile.

We could go through a laundry list of legalities and reasons why this or that is legal or not. But the fact of the matter is there has to be laws whether you or I like them or not. Or whether there is logical reason to us independent thinkers.

I'm all for legalizing all of the above activities. The hunting deer after dark thing may cause a safety risk but the other things you mention fall in the same category as baiting in that there is probably not a good reason to outlaw it except that someone just doesn't like it.

If you are truely an independant thinker you will question these laws instead of accepting everything that your government does to you as though you have no say in the matter.

[Bear55]

Let me explain why we shouldn't bait, the last time I tried it I ended up shooting a dead horse with zebra spedos over a pile of corn. You don't want to have to live with that on your conscience.

[Jim Uran]

HAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Basseyes]

I'm all for legalizing all of the above activities. The hunting deer after dark thing may cause a safety risk but the other things you mention fall in the same category as baiting in that there is probably not a good reason to outlaw it except that someone just doesn't like it.

[sticknstring]

Good one Bear! lol

[Big Dave2]

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What safety risk? If it's safe to hunt coyotes at night, why would there be any difference hunting deer at night? If there's no good reason make it legal.

I'm not advocating one way or another on the issue of hunting deer at night. You are the one who is pushing the idea and I said I would be fine with it. I am just assuming that the major reason why some might think it should not be legal is because there are a whole lot more deer hunters than yote hunters and there could be a danger factor but I say, make it legal then I can decide whether or not I want to put myself in harms way. You won't get an arguement out of me on that one.

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You are assuming all who want baiting to remain illegal are non independent thinkers. Pot meet kettle.

No, I am assuming that those who think every law or piece of legislation is perfect and that there is no reason to ever question government, are not independant thinkers.

[Gordie]

No, I am assuming that those who think every law or piece of legislation is perfect and that there is no reason to ever question government, are not independant thinkers.

So your saying that the 4 people that said "YES" in this little poll are independant thinkers and that the 93 that said "NO" are not independant thinkers.

Well as the thread started for this the question was:

"Main reason why baiting should be outlawed".

Well I can see at least 93 indepedant resons.

Poor Horse

[Big Dave2]

Well as the thread started for this the question was:

"Main reason why baiting should be outlawed".

Well I can see at least 93 indepedant resons.

Poor Horse

So if I find 93 people who want to outlaw hunting that would be reason enough for you?

[archerystud]

If you want to hunt deer over bait piles you have a couple of simple options: drive over to WI or MI and hunt. Last I checked people from out of state can hunt over there.

Now if you want to hunt deer WITHOUT bait then hunt in MN. Some of us would like to have that option as well.

[Gordie]

So if I find 93 people who want to outlaw hunting that would be reason enough for you?

according to this little poll the odds are not in your favor.

and acherystud said it best some of us would like the option with out bait and the percentages are in our favor.