ozzie Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 I guarentee you people catch more fish now on the ice then when our grandparents went out without flashers....sure they caught fish but how often did they get skunked or how many more fish could they have taken if they had a flasher.......I agree that the prices are getting a little high on these units but if the demand is there what is stopping them from raising the price?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwmiller33 Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 ya exactly what i said.. using a flasher gives you an advantage over not using one obviously. BUT, people did still catch fish without using them, and still do.does the fl 22 catch fish for you? cuz for $600, it better. the difference between a low end and a high end flasher isn't going to result in you catching a ton of more fish... i also think its ridiculous that vexilar still hasnt adapted to the adjustable zoom, yet they justify charging an arm and a leg for these units. there has been so much hype about the fl 22 ever since it was announced they were coming out with it... the difference between a 22 and 20 isnt going to catch you more fish... i bet you put 2 guys side by side, one with a 20 and one with a 22, neither is going to extremely outfish the other.. it is more about skill in jigging and presentation that catches you fish, not the flasher you are using Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJH Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 i bet you put 2 guys side by side, one with a 20 and one with a 22, neither is going to extremely outfish the other.. it is more about skill in jigging and presentation that catches you fish, not the flasher you are using I agree, well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Carlson Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Any word on which frequency(ies) it might run at? The frequency range will remain much the same. The big enhancement comes into play with the new FL-22's HD processing capabilities. The FL22 HD has the ability to fine tune the pulse length, and that will enhance it's calibration throughout it's entire range. This will allow for the user to manipulate it precisely to his/her own particular needs at any depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTro Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 A digital readout and interchangeable color palettes would have been a nice addition… So 1/8” separation huh? I was under the assumption that target separation wasn’t really that important. Now that the bar has been raised, I’m sure it will be the MOST important thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwmiller33 Posted April 20, 2010 Share Posted April 20, 2010 exactly my thinking dtro... IMHO, the 22 lacks several key features to be considered top of the line. adjustable zoom, additional color patterns for strength of signal, and digital readout... vexilar is still a step behind humminbird IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 A digital readout and interchangeable color palettes would have been a nice addition… So 1/8” separation huh? I was under the assumption that target separation wasn’t really that important. Now that the bar has been raised, I’m sure it will be the MOST important thing. Hah! Keepin it real. I can tell you one thing for 600+ I can get a lot of stuff that would help my fishing. That's a pretty big number. I got my powzer auger and flasher both for less than that. I realize that there is a lot of tech that goes into it but at some point its too much. Even for a 1/8 in of seperation. Idk why you would even need that. The lines on the screen have to be so small you need a magnifying glass to see it. Don't get me wrong I love my vex but it seems like its kind of absurd what they are asking now for less product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishinalot Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 I see it has the 10' range. Does it also have the 30' range like the FL-8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxMN Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 I can't wait to see it. I have that other brand, but like them all and see the good points to all of them. Gives more competition and that makes all of us win. The price really doesn't even matter - if you don't want to buy it, nobody is forcing you too And if I want to, I will enjoy the features - just like anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJH Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 The price really doesn't even matter - if you don't want to buy it, nobody is forcing you too With all due respect, you may not care about the price but most people do. The price/value relationship is the biggest buying decision a person makes when comparing different items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleye Guy Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Originally Posted By: BoxMN The price really doesn't even matter - if you don't want to buy it, nobody is forcing you too With all due respect, you may not care about the price but most people do. The price/value relationship is the biggest buying decision a person makes when comparing different items. I thought the biggest buying decision was how much power the unit had and if it has a variable zoom or not, or if it had modern electronics, or True Color or a flat face, or a bottom lock, or a floating transducer or very fine line or came with a neat little tackle box, or fit in a 5 gallon pail or had IR, or was made by a company whose name started with a "V" versus an "M" versus an "H", or if it had a digital depth display, or was made in the USA, or had good customer service, or was a Chevy or a Ford.............. Sorry I couldn't resist...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxMN Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Originally Posted By: BoxMN The price really doesn't even matter - if you don't want to buy it, nobody is forcing you too With all due respect, you may not care about the price but most people do. The price/value relationship is the biggest buying decision a person makes when comparing different items. Exactly - There are plenty of products in many price ranges with many feature sets, one should fit folks needs with their ability to pay for a toy. Of course I want a top of line product at bottom of barrel price, but really... Not being a smart arse here, but do we really think we are going to get the latest and greatest for the same price as the old and lame? hehe, anyway, I am looking forward to seeing one in action, but have a (hopefully) long open water season to go first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Don't get me wrong, I truly look forward to seeing it being a vexilar guy. However, if there is less bang for buck than the others (zoom, lcd disp, ect), idk how the price is justified... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Carlson Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 I see it has the 10' range. Does it also have the 30' range like the FL-8? The FL22 HD depth scale starts at the new 10' scale, and then multiplies to X2, X3, X4, X5, and X6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Stark Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 so it will only read up to 60ft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Carlson Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Yes, the FL22 HD is designed to operate up to a 60 foot range max depth, in 10 foot ranges.I can't comment on if a Deep Water version HD is in the works, or available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Stark Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 I hope for vexilar's sake that there will be a deep water version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwmiller33 Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 ya that is pretty pathetic it only goes up to 60 feet... so you pay +$100 for every 10 feet of depth you get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip_Ripper Guy Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 99% of people will never fish deeper than 60'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Stark Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Lip_Ripper Guy...you are right that the majority of folks will not fish deeper than 60fow. 99% may be a little high though. There are lots of laker fisherman out there that will not buy this unit because it does not read deeper than 60ft, including my-self. I dont really fish for anything else during the hard-water season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwmiller33 Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Lip_Ripper Guy...you are right that the majority of folks will not fish deeper than 60fow. 99% may be a little high though. There are lots of laker fisherman out there that will not buy this unit because it does not read deeper than 60ft, including my-self. I dont really fish for anything else during the hard-water season. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 2+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigums Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Cloud Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Im glad thay are makeing some changes, they cant keep up with the dogs while sleeping on the portch based on a name alone. I fish 2-4 times a week all winter long for the past 25 years and have never been deeper than 55 ft except one trip to LOW/Crow...The price does seem really high based on what your getting but to each thier own. Didnt want to bring other flasher brands into this but value for the dollar, crispness of display, and detail are what made me switch about 5-6 years ago. Havn't seen any reason to switch again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Carlson Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 The FL-22HD was tested, and retested, and pro staff-tested, and independent tested, and product researched, and tech tested some more, for about 4 to 5 years (+/-). They were not going to run with it tell they had exactly what they wanted to achieve at the levels they set, and then they found even more ways to exceed them. They were hard set on not releasing it before 100% satisfaction on quality and performance goals were achieved. Then they decided to roll with it's introduction into the FL line.I understand fully well one size never fits all and we all may have functions we would personally wished to have seen added, but this unit will fit many, and do it extremely well. I suspect it will be a huge hit once some guys get there hands on them and see it performance first hand...it's preaty amazing stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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