Trading AP

[Juneau4]

What do you mean that someday a lot of what is said in this thread will be laughable!

[james_walleye]

Originally Posted By: slurpie

No doubt AP puts up points but CTaylor is pretty good himself. Seems like he does alot of horse work and AP gets in for the short run TD. Im not taking anything from AP but Taylor would be a star on any other team and putting up good #'s of his own.

I've been a Chester Taylor fan for years. It seems more often than not when we are in a position to get 4-5 yards he seems to come up with 7. His "second and long" stats have got to be one of the best in the league.

I personally would put him up against many other teams "star RB" He does push through and make very key plays only to have him removed for AP to get TD stats. Does anyone know how many TD's Taylor had this year? I'd venture to guess not many.

CA

I like Chester to but lets be real, when he is in the game its usually a passing situation when the defense is reading pass. The tendancy for the vikings when he is in the game is pass so its a bit easier to run against a defense reading pass.

[lungdeflator]

So its been established that AP will not get traded. I agree that he has some growing up to do in the NFL and I think that people jump on a band wagon when rookies have a good first year. Its only ONE year!! How can people be talking about AP being the best ever and such when this was only his second year??? I think AP is just under way too much pressure after his phenomenal first year. I think the same was expected out of him and he was way overrated. He is a great player but only time will tell if he is really the best.

Same goes with Sanchez. Its his rookie year!! I wish I could use a 2x4 and beat some sense into the talking heads on TV. He is also a good player but is not the best thing thats ever happened to the Jets. Likewise Tim Tebow is not the best to ever come through college and is not the best thing that happened to Florida. Its just jumping on a band wagon and thinking that records are going to be broken year after year by the same player.

[Juneau4]

I believe it was AP's 3rd year.

[Loon]

For one, backs are a dime a dozen so they don't command much on the trade market.

Two...Peterson's value has plummeted. Some would say he hasn't reached his prime...but name a back that was better at 27 than he was at 24. I'll accept 4 answers.

Three...As mad as I am about Peterson's fumbling I'd much rather gamble he gets it right than look for another back.

It just doesn't help the Vikings to move him...'09 was our year and we blew it.

[croixflats]

Trade AP phth! He wont improve as he is past his prime as for this team but as for another that could hurt us. I say keep him here and he will only be known for his first 3 years. Actualy if he did move on he still would only be known for his first 3 yeaers.

[zepman]

If he avoids any serious injury he's a sure-fire HOFer...I'd just as soon watch this happen up close!!

[solbes]

My knee jerk reaction when I was still mad was to trade him. After cooling off for awhile this wouldn't make any sense. He's still the long term heart and soul of the team.

I do agree with Cris Carter though, he needs to change his running style. He's gotta switch carrying arm when running to the left. Get him a running back's coach who also made the switch and start him training right now. I'm sure this fumbling brand that he's earned doesn't sit well with him.

[Jim Uran]

God, no wonder so many people laugh at Viking fans, well those that jump off the wagon so fast aren't Viking fans. It's ridiculous, this guy has been our team the last few years.

He's a great talent and this problem will be corrected. Just like every other great back that had a fumbling problem to start their career off.

[fishersofmen]

Exactly.

[FutbolGuru]

Everyone - a Packer fan started this thread. Anyone who knows anything about football (and actually likes the Vikings) would never trade AP. He's the best thing that happened to this team in years. Fumble here, fumble there... who cares! Sidney Rice had over 1300 yds and wasn't double covered all season long - why? bc the extra defender had to sit in the box to make sure AP didn't bust one. There is absolutely NO WAY the Vikes would have had the success they did without AP. NO WAY!!!!

[bunkerbay]

God, no wonder so many people laugh at Viking fans, well those that jump off the wagon so fast aren't Viking fans. It's ridiculous, this guy has been our team the last few years.

He's a great talent and this problem will be corrected. Just like every other great back that had a fumbling problem to start their career off.

+1

[gregg52]

they need to train him or help him look for holes to run in

he just seems to run syaight into coverage most of the time and because he is so strong he breaks away needs to run outa bounds more fighten for that extra 2-3 yard isnt worth it

put a little finese into his running

i personally think we could do fine with out him i think tayolor is

very capalbe back

[FutbolGuru]

If you're a Vikings fan and are Pro-trading AP... You don't know anything about football. Sure he fumbles now and again, but first off, fumbling can be corrected (ask Tiki Barber). Secondly, even if he fumbles he's still a HUGE part of our offensive success. Every time AP is on the field he helps our offense, even if he doesn't touch the ball. Opposing defenses game plan around Adrian Peterson. If you take away AP and put Chester in the backfield you won't get the extra defender in the box - That means no deep balls to Sidney Rice, no wide open slot receivers... basically it means we wouldn't be an elite offense.

[walleyes12]

God, no wonder so many people laugh at Viking fans, well those that jump off the wagon so fast aren't Viking fans. It's ridiculous, this guy has been our team the last few years.

He's a great talent and this problem will be corrected. Just like every other great back that had a fumbling problem to start their career off.

+2

[BRULEDRIFTER]

Fumble here, fumble there... who cares!

[FutbolGuru]

Hey Bruledrifter... How about you copy over my entire post next time - it makes sense in context. AP lost one fumble in that game which you could actually call a botched handoff. So going as far as saying "AP lost the game for us" is plain ridiculous. Favre threw 2 picks, percy lost a fumble, and berrian lost a fumble. If we're using your logic we should just get rid of all of them!!!! Then we'd be 0-16, but at least we wouldn't have any turnovers!!!! I'm very happy that you are not the Viking's GM.

Every time AP is on the field he helps our offense, even if he doesn't touch the ball. Opposing defenses create their game plans around Adrian Peterson - not Chester Taylor. If you take away AP and put Chester in the backfield you won't get the extra defender in the box - That means no deep balls to Sidney Rice in one-on-one coverage, no wide open slot receivers or tight ends, and our play action wouldn't be near as effective... Favre had the highest QB rating in the league this year in play action - by no coincidence we have Adrian Peterson in our backfield. Take away AP and we're not an elite offense.

I didn't think I would have to go into this deep of detail to prove the correct point. But it was definately called for after RIDICULOUS COMMMENTS like "trade AP".

[WallyGator12000]

Couldn't agree with you more FutbolGuru. Anyone who says "trade AP" doesn't understand the first thing about football, or especially the NFL. The concept of trading AP is laughable, so absurd I can't believe people can say it with a straight face.

[mnwild]

There is absolutely NO WAY the Vikes would have had the success they did without AP. NO WAY!!!!

I hope your not talking about this year, because you can thank Favre you this year. Peterson is the new Ahman Green of the league IMO. Trade him now and get something back for him before its too late.

[FutbolGuru]

mnwild ... I am talking about this year. Favre wouldn't have thrown 37 tds and 7 ints without ap. Ap brings an extra defender in the box. AP is the reason Favre had the highest passer rating in the league on play action this year. Take AP away and Favre's numbers are typical of his past years numbers. Favre was a huge part of our success, but we wouldn't have done what we did without AP in the backfield. Favre knows how to utilize his weapons as a veteran and that's exactly what he did. Put Chester Taylor in the backfield and you'll never get Sidney Rice in single coverage down the field. Tell me then how Favre fares.

Oh, and when you compared AP to Ahman Green, any credibility you had went out the window. Ridiculous.

[See yup]

Trade AP and lose Brett Farve and there won't be a superbowl for the Vikes for years to come. Go T-JACK.

[solbes]

I think you have to look at how we lost the game. Was it because we weren't moving the ball? Nope, we moved the ball fine. Was it because we kept giving them the ball back? Yep.

I'm not sure you guys are remembering the game I saw. It was like the ball had Pam sprayed all over it. You can't win playoff games like that, and you certainly can't win a Superbowl like that. It HAS to be corrected or we are not going anywhere. AP was not the only one who had issues, but that's where it started and it spread from there.

I don't care if you have 1800 yards and 20 touchdowns in a year. If you give the ball up multiple times in critical games you are as much a liability as you are an asset. Just my two pennies and I'm sure there are many who think I'm wrong.

[JAfish]

Don't trade him. Loadholt and Sullivan were rookies, they'll get better. Draft a stud for right guard and another lineman for depth. Sign Chester for cheap or let him go as a starer somewhere else (not sure I'd do that- he can win the ring here). Defensive secondary & linebackers always need depth.

What this team needed this year were bigger holes to run though and more time in the pocket. If Farve would have the time that Peyton will have next Sunday, the Vikes would have won it.

[MidCoast]

Vikings would do better overall witout AP and getting a good Qb. Good Qb plus Taylor is good enough..... Look how Farve turned the Vikes around from last year to this year... Qb will make a difference.

[croixflats]

Don't trade him. Loadholt and Sullivan were rookies, they'll get better. Draft a stud for right guard and another lineman for depth. Sign Chester for cheap or let him go as a starer somewhere else (not sure I'd do that- he can win the ring here). Defensive secondary & linebackers always need depth.

What this team needed this year were bigger holes to run though and more time in the pocket. If Favre would have the time that Peyton will have next Sunday, the Vikes would have won it.

Hmm? bigger holes for a running back to go through then wont any good running back do the job ie Taylor . Just saying. I wouldn't want to trade him off but getting a good quarterback would be more important. Look at all the teams in the playoff aside from the Vikes with their supposed great running back who else had a great running back. I know one thing for sure they all had great Quarterbacks. With exception of Dalles and Greenbay,though Greenbay looks to have a short step for greatness.