The Aint's

[harvey lee]

ESPN, they know anout it as its on the internet.

Do a search for online sports betting by coaches and players and see for yourself. I would post a few links but that is against forum policy here.

What is there not to understand????

Somewhat like steriods, no one ever used them and look now.

[james_walleye]

Peyton threw that ball on purpose to Porter?

[LMITOUT]

Favre too!

[james_walleye]

Hey LMIT, the $12 million Favre made this year wasnt enough. Couldn't Favre have run the ball for 5 yards, had Longwell kick a 50 yarder, gone to the superbowl, and yet still had the vikings not cover that 4 point spread?

[PierBridge]

I mis-understood where you were coming from Harvey. Still doubtful in my opinion but then again nothing surprises me these days...

[LMITOUT]

I'd like to know how much Tahi was paid-off to be the 12 man in the huddle.

[james_walleye]

It wasnt Tahi, it was Bienemy for sending him to the huddle.

[harvey lee]

One can joke about it all they want but in reality, it happens and has been proven.

One can live in a fantasy world if they so choose.

I understand one does not want to believe it happens but.

[harvey lee]

Do the research.

[james_walleye]

One can joke about it all they want but in reality, it happens and has been proven.

One can live in a fantasy world if they so choose.

I understand one does not want to believe it happens but.

Enlighten us on reality....that Peyton or Favre threw that INT on purpose? That every NFL game is rigged? Every playoff game is rigged?? No one is claiming that it NEVER happens.

[BlueLundFishrman]

The suicide bombers in Iraq & Afghanistan believe they will get 70 virgins when they die. You believe what you want.

[harvey lee]

Here is one example of the World Series being fixed. I can post more if you would like to read more and more current ones.

Since gambling pre-dates recorded history it comes as little surprise that evidence of match fixing is found throughout recorded history. The Ancient Olympics were almost constantly dealing with allegations of athletes accepting bribes to lose a competition and city-states which often tried to manipulate the outcome with large amounts of money. These activities went on despite the oath each athlete took to protect the integrity of the events and the severe punishment sometimes inflicted on those who were caught. Chariot racing was also dogged by race fixing throughout its history.

By the end of the 19th century gambling was illegal in most jurisdictions, but that did not stop its widespread practice. Boxing soon became rife with fighters "taking a dive" - probably because boxing is an individual sport which makes its matches much easier to fix without getting caught. Baseball also became plagued by match fixing despite efforts by the National League to stop gambling at its games. Matters finally came to a head in 1919 when eight members of the Chicago White Sox threw the World Series (see Black Sox Scandal). In an effort to restore confidence, Major League Baseball established the office of the Baseball Commissioner, and one of Kenesaw Mountain Landis's first acts was to ban all involved players for life. Strict rules prohibiting gambling persist to this day

[harvey lee]

2007 NBA Referee Scandal: In July 2007 it was revealed that National Basketball Association referee Tim Donaghy had gambled on 10 to 15 games, including games which he refereed. The matter is currently being investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation as well as the NBA.

[james_walleye]

In these current days of millions, or $100 million contracts, i dont think their is quite the need to fix a game you are playing in. I find it hard to believe many NFL games, or many pro sporting games period are fixed. I've never stated that it never happens.

[Eelpout08]

it would be pretty easy for the officials to look the other way on a few things if it benifits a team that "should win"

[croixeyes]

I guess what I find hard to believe is that you folks that are intent on thinking that these major sporting events are fixed.And yet you still want to call yourselves a fan of the team.Why is it you even watch sports? If I thought these events were fixed,theres no way I would have any interest in watching,what would be the point.

[greebs]

I wouldn't say games are fixed in team sports like they could be in an individual sport such as boxing. That being said I have no doubt that calls can be made that are to the benefit of certain players.

Guys like Jordan could do whatever they wanted without worrying about the whistle but the guy on the other team guarding him didn't dare look at him wrong or he'd get whistled for a foul.

Same goes with MLB. Certain pitchers are going to get strikes based on their reputations and certain hitters require the pitcher to throw meat to have any chance at getting a strike called.

[goblueM]

exactly, greebs. but much less so in football, with so many players

sure, there are questionable calls and home field advantage and such. But as my coaches always taught me, a game never comes down to one single play. The game is won (or lost) throughout the entire game.

For example, sure Favre's INT doomed the vikes. But so did all the fumbles, drops, missed opportunities, etc. Football is the ultimate team sport.

Which is why it obviously can NOT be fixed. It's laughable to even suggest it. The number of people that would have to be in on it is ridiculous... and football players are fierce competitors. Somebody'd be ticked off and mouth around. That kind of secret would never be kept

[zepman]

exactly, greebs. but much less so in football, with so many players

sure, there are questionable calls and home field advantage and such. But as my coaches always taught me, a game never comes down to one single play. The game is won (or lost) throughout the entire game.

For example, sure Favre's INT doomed the vikes. But so did all the fumbles, drops, missed opportunities, etc. Football is the ultimate team sport.

Which is why it obviously can NOT be fixed. It's laughable to even suggest it. The number of people that would have to be in on it is ridiculous... and football players are fierce competitors. Somebody'd be ticked off and mouth around. That kind of secret would never be kept

Exactly, you will never convince me that professional football is on the fix. Some sports maybe...but not football, for all the reasons above.

[Mimic Shiner]

Besides the fact, how much money did the NFL and TV networks miss out on if Favre could have played the Pack in the conference champ, then if the vikes had made the S.B. the ratings would have been astronomical. I believe it was the most watched S.B. anyway but Favre vs. Manning would have been hard to beat. Point being, why didn't the NFL go with that route if games were fixed?

[bobbymalone]

I do not know how much more proof one needs.

where is the proof! None of these examples provide any evidence to support your theory. Also, these examples might provide a bias towards one competitor but they don't really control the outcome of a game.

was it the refs? manning? was it completely fixed, wwf style?

[Dark Cloud]

So I wonder who the "fix" is going to be on for next season?

My cousins girlfriends dads brothers sons bookie said he heard from another bookie that it wasnt going to be the Vikings because thier fans are too annoying. But he also said the are schedueled to win the SB in 10 years providing they flop and flounder away atleast 8 more playoff games. Hopefully the refs help them do that...

[Bear55]

One can joke about it all they want but in reality, it happens and has been proven.

One can live in a fantasy world if they so choose.

I understand one does not want to believe it happens but.

Betting, lieing and cheating is one thing, setting up the super bowl so one teams wins is another. I don't think anyone is doubting there is shady stuff going on but you have to admit it is kind of living in a fantasy world to think the super bowl was a setup.