Peterson fumbles.. AGAIN

[croixflats]

Some one ounce said 1200 yrd backs are a dime a dozon, wonder who said that BigDave. Looks like we have a 1200 yrd back this year and one that cant hold onto the ball. I dont care what happened last year or what you may think will happen next year. The reality, Ha phoey you guys dont deal in realities only bragging rights. Admire and respect your convictions though .

[leech~~]

And............Just to illustrate how prolific AP has been so far in his career, This is how he stacks up so far with the 3 most prolific rushers in NFL history after 3 years in the league.

Emmit Smith

4213 yds

41 TDs

Walter Payton

3921 yds

34 TDs

Barry Sanders

4323 yds

43 TDs

Adrian Peterson

4430 yds

39 TDs

Looks like pretty elite company to me, and this season isn't even over yet!

Where's the fumble count for each? I'm not disagreeing with you, it would just be good to see those per-player as well.

[Jim Uran]

And............Just to illustrate how prolific AP has been so far in his career, This is how he stacks up so far with the 3 most prolific rushers in NFL history after 3 years in the league.

Emmit Smith

4213 yds

41 TDs

Walter Payton

3921 yds

34 TDs

Barry Sanders

4323 yds

43 TDs

Adrian Peterson

4430 yds

39 TDs

Looks like pretty elite company to me, and this season isn't even over yet!

Put that in your pipe and smoke it AP haters. Those are ELITE #'s indeed. Quit bieng a closet cheesehead Leech.

[leech~~]

Originally Posted By: Big Dave2

And............Just to illustrate how prolific AP has been so far in his career, This is how he stacks up so far with the 3 most prolific rushers in NFL history after 3 years in the league.

Emmit Smith

4213 yds

41 TDs

Walter Payton

3921 yds

34 TDs

Barry Sanders

4323 yds

43 TDs

Adrian Peterson

4430 yds

39 TDs

Looks like pretty elite company to me, and this season isn't even over yet!

Put that in your pipe and smoke it AP haters. Those are ELITE #'s indeed. Quit bieng a closet cheesehead Leech.

OUCH! I always like fair data shown!

[Jim Uran]

Your just fueling the fire for the haters...

[croixflats]

No the realist. Maybe some one from the luv fest should be on the side line keeping his hands warm or at least have a room waiting for him after the game

[gr8icefishinmind]

I still don't get what him being an elite rb has to do with his fumbling problem! Obviously we all know that he is a top notch back.......but he has a fumbling problem that he should fix!!!!

[GFNER]

Can't give exact numbers but the Star Trib had a article a few weeks ago comparing APs first 3 yrs to Walter Payton and Eric Dickerson. AP had about 10 fumbles LESS than those other two. Just really bad timing last night. I've been a Vikes fan for 40 yrs, I'm used to disappointment hell I expect it! They don't make it past the first round this year! Sure am glad we extended that Putz of a head coachs contract.

[Dave S]

All of this talk about elite RBs has taught me that I obviously have a different opinion on this title than the majority here.

IMO, an elite RB has the basic fundamentals down, including "PROTECTING THE [insert your best profanity here] BALL".

When AP can do that better, I will consider him an "Elite" RB.

[MuleShack]

Imagine if we had an elite offensive line this year...

Our guys seem to pass block whether it is a run play or a pass play...

It still wouldn't help his fumbling, but it certainly have him getting more yards. Now he has to make his own holes, there is nothing being opened for him.

I know this has nothing to do with his last fumble, but goes to the topic of yards for the season.

[DTro]

All of this talk about elite RBs makes has taught me that I obviously have a different opinion on this title than the majority here.

IMO, an elite RB has the basic fundamentals down, including "PROTECTING THE [insert your best profanity here] BALL".

When AP can do that better, I will consider him an "Elite" RB.

OK, so name some "Elite" RB's and then we will compare numbers.

[croixflats]

Gerome Bettis numbers weren't there but then again if numbers are all that you look for in a player not going to go to far with that. .Also the elite players have something else to back up their title they come through for ya when you need them the most on a consistent basis. If it were a numbers game we should have kept Moss.

[Dave S]

Originally Posted By: LEP7MM

All of this talk about elite RBs makes has taught me that I obviously have a different opinion on this title than the majority here.

IMO, an elite RB has the basic fundamentals down, including "PROTECTING THE [insert your best profanity here] BALL".

When AP can do that better, I will consider him an "Elite" RB.

OK, so name some "Elite" RB's and then we will compare numbers.

Nice try Darren. I didn't say I felt there was an elite RB in the league. You can find comments in other posts in regards to the "elite" RBs. But I don't recall ever stating there was one. I'd rather you not try to group me in with the rest of the crowd.

[Big Dave2]

Originally Posted By: dtro

OK, so name some "Elite" RB's and then we will compare numbers.

Nice try Darren. I didn't say I felt there was an elite RB in the league. You can find comments in other posts in regards to the "elite" RBs. But I don't recall ever stating there was one. I'd rather you not try to group me in with the rest of the crowd.

LEP, are you running for office or something? That was the most political statement I've heard since O'bama and McCain's last presidential debate.

So now you are saying there has never been an elite running back in the league?

[Big Dave2]

Some one ounce said 1200 yrd backs are a dime a dozon, wonder who said that BigDave. Looks like we have a 1200 yrd back this year and one that cant hold onto the ball. I dont care what happened last year or what you may think will happen next year. The reality, Ha phoey you guys dont deal in realities only bragging rights. Admire and respect your convictions though .

When did I say that? Please show me a quote.

BTW, Peterson has 1329 yds with 1 game left to go so I would more accurately call him a 1400 yd rusher.

[Big Dave2]

Originally Posted By: Big Dave2

And............Just to illustrate how prolific AP has been so far in his career, This is how he stacks up so far with the 3 most prolific rushers in NFL history after 3 years in the league.

Emmit Smith

4213 yds

41 TDs

19 fumbles

Walter Payton

3921 yds

34 TDs

30 fumbles

Barry Sanders

4323 yds

43 TDs

19 fumbles

Adrian Peterson

4430 yds

39 TDs

20 fumbles

Looks like pretty elite company to me, and this season isn't even over yet!

Where's the fumble count for each? I'm not disagreeing with you, it would just be good to see those per-player as well.

[Big Dave2]

All-Time Great Running Backs Fumbles - First Three Seasons

Jim Brown - 14 (36 gms)

OJ Simpson - 17 (35 gms)

Emmitt Smith - 19 (47 gms)

Walter Payton - 30 (35 gms)

Eric Dickerson - 37 (44 gms)

Tony Dorsett - 28 (44 gms)

Franco Harris - 24 (38 gms)

Marcus Allen - 27 (41 gms)

ADRIAN PETERSON - 19 (41 gms)

Yeah, you guys are right. He'll never be any good!

I thought I'd post this one more time just in case twice wasn't enough.

[Big Dave2]

Gerome Bettis numbers weren't there but then again if numbers are all that you look for in a player not going to go to far with that. .Also the elite players have something else to back up their title they come through for ya when you need them the most on a consistent basis. If it were a numbers game we should have kept Moss.

Just for the record,

Jerome Bettis 1st 3 years in the league:

3091 yds

13 TDs

13 Fumbles

I'll take petersons almost 2 to 1 TD to fumble ratio instead of Bettis's 1 to 1 ratio.

And BTW, your right, we should have kept Moss!

[Big Dave2]

I still don't get what him being an elite rb has to do with his fumbling problem! Obviously we all know that he is a top notch back.......but he has a fumbling problem that he should fix!!!!

Because it is not a fumbling PROBLEM. I have posted statistical evidence that shows you this but you choose to ignore it.

[zepman]

I've always thought AP runs more like Earl Campbell (violent)...what's his stats through his first three years?

[DTro]

Man, Payton and Dickerson were fumbling machines. Just think how great they could’ve been if they would’ve carried the ball correctly or didn’t try to get those extra yards or create their own holes.

See this is what you do, you take the handoff, cover the ball with both arms, put your head down, and run straight forward. That’s the way to be a great RB in this league.

[gr8icefishinmind]

Originally Posted By: gr8icefishinmind

I still don't get what him being an elite rb has to do with his fumbling problem! Obviously we all know that he is a top notch back.......but he has a fumbling problem that he should fix!!!!

Because it is not a fumbling PROBLEM. I have posted statistical evidence that shows you this but you choose to ignore it.

Obviously it is a problem......your statistical evidence shows this!! I am not saying he is a bad running back, just saying he would be alot better if he would get rid of his fumbling problem! It is about getting better as a player and giving the defense less of an advantage and right now their advantage vs. peterson is their ability to strip the ball from his hands because of the way he carries the ball.

[LMITOUT]

BTW, Peterson has 1329 yds with 1 game left to go so I would more accurately call him a 1400 yd rusher.

Meanwhile Chris Johnson is hunting down the 2000 yd mark.

CJ > AP

[gr8icefishinmind]

Originally Posted By: croixflats

Gerome Bettis numbers weren't there but then again if numbers are all that you look for in a player not going to go to far with that. .Also the elite players have something else to back up their title they come through for ya when you need them the most on a consistent basis. If it were a numbers game we should have kept Moss.

Just for the record,

Jerome Bettis 1st 3 years in the league:

3091 yds

13 TDs

13 Fumbles

I'll take petersons almost 2 to 1 TD to fumble ratio instead of Bettis's 1 to 1 ratio.

Bad comparison......first of all they are totally different runners, secondly bettis took wayy more hits and was a more bruising type of rb which shows his ability to HOLD ON to the ball with as little fumbles as he had!!!

[DTro]

Just think how great AP would be if he never fumbled. Saying a running back would be much better if he fumbled less is like saying I would save gas money if I drove a car instead of a big SUV. Well yeah, but then I would have to drive a car.

If you want to enjoy what he gives you than you have to live with what he doesn’t give you as well. Saying I wish he fumbled less is a given. We all wish that.

If I remember right LeRoy Hoard didn’t fumble very much at all. When we wanted 2 yards we got 3. When we wanted 5 yards we got 3. Maybe we should give him a call.

As the data has shown, AP is right up there with the best and in fumble statistics even better than some of them. Enjoy him for what he is, and IMO he is just as much a bruiser as Betis was.