The Vikings draft

[zepman]

TJack is not known to be a great runner. He has had some opportunistic runs that have turned out o.k. but those have all come from broken plays and scrambling. He is not in the class of Cunningham, Mcnabb, and Vick when it comes to running the ball. Daunte would also be considered much more of a running threat than TJack. He's simply not that fast. Sage can run just a well as TJack.

The main reason I believe Sage will be our q-back is how they presented him to the Vikes fans when he signed. Remember all the media coverage, press conferences, etc....There was a great deal of hype in all of it. Now think back and try to remember what it was like when Gus signed with us. How about Johnson...Bollinger.... The only thing we heard about these guys was a press release or news clip on either t.v or the radio. When Sage had his press conference at Winter Park, they were introducing the NEW Vikings starting q-back!

[zepman]

40 yard dash times for the record:

TJack 4.69

Sage 4.73

There is no difference.

[fishin58]

WOW, have you watched either QB? That is my question, go youtube Tjack, I am sure you can see he is 10X's as mobile as Ground Sage. The only running I can think of for your glorious Sage is last year versus the Colts. Tell me how that works out again? Off the top of my head didnt her blow a 20 point lead in 3 minutes.

What Rick and I were referring too was that the D has to account for a mobile QB. Not a rock in the backfield!

On a sidenote, Miami already has dropped John Beck. Geez maybe the Vikes should pick up another great immobile QB.

[fishin58]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yjnk9da-hA

2 Tds For the first 2 plays minus the turf monster

ROLLOUT pass the third play for a TD!

Next nice wiggle.

Around 2 minutes lets see sage do any of these runs! Nope I dont think so!

[Sandmannd]

Nice to see Rick and Fishin's man-crush on T-jack picked up where it left off last year.

Hopefully you guys are right, only time will tell.

[Scott K]

Like I said before, I dont care which one it is, as long as the best one gets to start.

[fishin58]

After all this farve talk I dont know what to think, tough to say for me but I would like to bring him in for one year and school tjack up and lead the Purple to the promise land! And also to stick it too all my Puker in-laws!

But between T and Sage, this will be T's year. After all, this is the first year he was sposed to see the field.

[PierBridge]

James, a mobile QB is an asset. I think you're over analyzing what is being said here.

Keep up the good work it kills time at work here..

[james_walleye]

A mobile QB isnt an asset. Mobility is an asset to a QB. But there has to be more than mobility in the equation to make a QB the starter. I mean its like saying Pat White is going to take Chad Penningtons job this season because he is more mobile despite the other dozens of things Chad does better. I think its hilarious that people like fishin actually believe the vikings brought Sage in to back up Jackson. They didnt trade a 4th round pick away to be Jacksons backup when they could have gotten a veteran QB in free agency for the same purpose. They can blow smoke all they want about an open QB competition, but they brought Sage in to be their starter.

Fishin, zep posted the 40 times, is it that you don't want to acknowledge them because it totally shoots a hole in the only arguement you have for Jackson being the starter?? Its obvious you havent watched Sage much if you equate him to a rock in the backfield.

[bak2MN]

A QB should not have to mobile if the O line does thier job like their suppose to. Only mobile to break a long run once in awhile. Just my opinion.

[fishin58]

OOh the highly touted 4th round pick....ooh! Sounds about right for a good back-up QB. What is there to acknowledge, that yes T is faster in the 40, yep he is. How about the shuttle or ANY cone drill you can think of that T would beat him in. Also the GAME speed of the 2 cannot even be compared.

So please almighty QB wizard, I am not saying Pat White will be the starter this year but why would they drop Beck the next day? Smells kind of fishy!

[james_walleye]

OOh the highly touted 4th round pick....ooh! Sounds about right for a good back-up QB. What is there to acknowledge, that yes T is fast in the 40, yep he is. How about the shuttle or ANY cone drill you can think of that T would beat him in. Also the GAME speed of the 2 cannot even be compared.

So please almighty QB wizard, I am not saying Pat White will be the starter this year but why would they drop Beck the next day? Smells kind of fishy!

We routinely see NFL teams throw away 4th round picks like they were garbage don't we LOL! When is the last time a team traded a 4th round pick for a backup QB??

Hey for the 4th time, the 40 times have been posted on here. I don't know why you won't acknowledge that instead of sidestepping that fact. You can think all you want about how fast your boy is, but its on paper that it really isnt a drastic difference. And how can you compare game speed? You've proved you really havent watched Sage enough to even know.....

Reguarding Beck....are you kidding me? Whats fishy about dropping Beck? You really are stumped on that one? Here i'll tell ya. Penningon the starter. Henne=the future, Parcells pick. Pat White=wildcat specialist. Beck=previous regimes pick. Boy...yeah thats really fishy....that sure was a tough one to figure out.

Now come on though for real, you can't really think Jackson is going to be the starter. I mean what besides mobility have you seen that would lead you to believe he can even compete with much less beat out Sage....

[FISHINGURU]

i seriously can't believe some people still think t-awesome is a pretty good qb...thats to funny

t-awesome is half the runner vick ever was and they have about the same passing skills which is a strong arm with zip but no accuracy or touch and unable to read defenses or know whats going on.

it doesn't take much for this team to win games...look at what gus came in to accomplish...just a little ability to read a defense and a little passing with touch and the ability to move the chains and we pile the W's....gus and t-awesome were the worse qb tandem in the league last year...i would of rather had any 2 qb's in the league.

[Rick]

I hope Sage is the clear winner and his TD to interception ratio will improve because our offense is so much better than Houstons. That means we have a stud QB for a fourth round pick and Chili is a genius. Super Bowl here we come and Chili had best get us there

What happens if Favre is thrown into the mix?

Hey for the 4th time, the 40 times have been posted on here.

Originally Posted By: james_walleye

You can think all you want about how fast your boy is, but its on paper that it really isnt a drastic difference.

Yes, thank you for pointing it out as you say for the 4th time, we all know players are only as good as what's on paper, all drafts are perfect because of that and of course all games are won on paper too.

[zepman]

I would welcome Favre with open arms. Let's take what he's got left and roll with it...he's got a major itch that hasn't been scratched yet and I really think it's going to happen. Why else would he ask for his release TWICE right now. He could have done this at any time (next year for that matter)and signed a one day thing with the Pack and retired a cheesehead. Why would he want to be released now...???

[Rick]

You just might have something there.

Do you think the Vikes would go with 4 QBs?

[local laker]

Favre is like vicadin,just say no!I like our draft picks

and undrafted signings.we got that 300 plus center from oklahoma also.he could fit into the plans.Go Vikes!

[zepman]

I don't think the Vikes would go with 4 q-backs...Booty would probably find himself on the practice squad or released. Have never really heard what the Vikes actually think of Booty. Would be nice to hear some positives coming out of Winter Park. For all we know, he may be the q-back of the future and is spending some quality time learning on the sidelines right now. I know it's all hypothetical right now, but I'd give the Favre thing about a 50/50 shot at actually happening...where there's smoke there's usually fire.......

[Badger]

A mobile QB isnt an asset. Mobility is an asset to a QB. But there has to be more than mobility in the equation to make a QB the starter. I mean its like saying Pat White is going to take Chad Penningtons job this season because he is more mobile despite the other dozens of things Chad does better. I think its hilarious that people like fishin actually believe the vikings brought Sage in to back up Jackson. They didnt trade a 4th round pick away to be Jacksons backup when they could have gotten a veteran QB in free agency for the same purpose. They can blow smoke all they want about an open QB competition, but they brought Sage in to be their starter.

Fishin, zep posted the 40 times, is it that you don't want to acknowledge them because it totally shoots a hole in the only arguement you have for Jackson being the starter?? Its obvious you havent watched Sage much if you equate him to a rock in the backfield.

Nice veteran addition (Sage)...2008 played in 6 games

6 TD's 10 INT's RTG 79.6 Career....30 TD's 29 INT's

SOLID AS A ROCK LOL

Rodgers...2008 28 TD's 13 INT's 4,038 Yds RTG 93.8

[fishin58]

G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost

2005 Miami Dolphins 4 1 34 61 55.7 462 7.6 4 3 0 0 81.5 6 15 2.5 0 1 0

2004 Miami Dolphins 3 1 16 39 41.0 264 6.8 1 3 3 16 41.0 -- -- -- -- 2 0

2003 Miami Dolphins 2 0 4 6 66.7 50 8.3 1 0 0 0 131.9 1 -1 -1.0 0 -- --

2002 Miami Dolphins 4 0 0 3 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 39.6 2 -9 -4.5 0 -- --

2001 Washington Redskins 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --

Look at these awesome stat for Sage's first FIVE years, wow impressive.

[Born2Fish]

Wow. Is everyone really arguing about who is better? T Jack or Sage. I remember not too long ago when just about all of us were on the get rid of T Jack bus. Now we have more people defending him. What has he REALLY shown us? That when he is down in a playoff game he just gives up? Reading defenses with the ability of my 8th grade nephew? I have gotten fed up with the T Jack experiment. We need to move on as a football team, whether that be with Sage or Favre(for one year). And just make T Jack into the backup that he is.

[Nick Kuhn]

Houston may not have the same offense as the Vikes, but they did have the NFL's #1 receiver last year, so it's not like he didn't have a good target that drew all the coverage...

[Rick]

T-Jack did very well when he came back in 2008. He pulled the fat out of the fire against Detroit. He helps us spank the NFC Champs-Arizona, He plays well against Atlanta, plays well and helps us beat the Giants then unfortunately finishes with egg on his face against Philadelphia. Of course Andy Reid may just have Chili's number?

I think playing well in 4 out of the last 5 games he played in says a little.

As for Sage there isn't a whole lot more to get excited about than there is for T-Jack. He's what. 31? He has tossed those interceptions that are usually killers in the NFL.

I hope he plays better than that if he starts for us.

Maybe it will be Favre???

[goblueM]

I say this as a non-vikings fan, so keep that in mind

I think you're better off with Jackson - Sage is old, has been around the block but never started much and played mediocre at best when he has started. Granted with the Vikings running game he could manage the game a bit, but there's no upside. Jackson looked pretty decent last year to me, I saw a lot of improvement.

[Born2Fish]

I am not very excited about Sage starting. Neither would I be excited if Jackson started. I might get a little bit excited if Favre was starting. I just want who ever starts to not lose games they should win. I am just a die hard Vikings fan that wants to see my team win. GO VIKES!