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[Reynolds]

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[Paul Waldowski]

I can take a pretty good guess at which resort it's at

[Nutty Fisherman]

I would move if they will let you take it will be the next thing, if they are like that with a new owner.

It should not be up to you to pay the back rent.

[Realtor Boy]

GET the heck out of there!!

[upnorth]

Not the kind of place I would want to do business with. I would move it. If the guy is a real turd, you may need someone from the police dept and a bill of sale to get your ice house tho.

[bturck]

I can understand the resort wanting to be paid for services rendered, however that should not be your problem especially since they knew that the house was being sold. I would give them a call and if they cop an attitude I would notify law enforcement to meet me at the resort and move that baby. If they want to deal with you in a professional and civilized manner then you need to make the decision to stay there or not. Good luck, hope it works out for you. Bill

[hanson]

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They informed me the previous owner had an outstanding balance and that they would not pull my house out until he has paid them in full. This makes no sense at all to me. I was absolutely baffled when they told me this. Even though it is now my house and I will have paid a year's worth of rent by next weekend, I can't have it pulled because of a situation with a previous owner.

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Unfortunately, the resort lost all leverage with the previous owner when he sold the house to you. He probably knew he left some unpaid rent on the table as well but didn't care. In an attempt to recover their money, they're coming after you which is not right.

It still floors me that there are resort/hospitality businesses like this that treat their customers this way. It seams like their are some that really have it figured out, and then there are the rest that leave you scratching your head thinking "What the F?"

I would get the house out of there. Plenty of other resorts on the lake that will take darn good care of you.

I would also not pay them for the previous owner's rent, although how much are we talking? 100 bucks? 200 bucks? or significantly more. If its not that much, I'd almost just suck it up and pay them and get out of that situation.

[Shack]

The one concern you might run into is, most ice house/shack hauling guys will not move a house until all debts are paid in full. Cops or no cops, it a unwritten rule of most Mill Laces house haulers.

What might happen, is when you call one of the well known Mill Laces house moving guys/companies, they will find out about pass due amount and not want to get involved. This is there lively hood and they have great relationships with resorts, that they do not want to disturb.

I have heard of this type of thing in the past and the current owner end’s up taking the heat or finding someone from another area to move their house.

Its legally your property, its just going to be tough to get it moved.

I would personal go up and talk with resort owner and be very nice. Inform them of the many years up coming use and how you will pay on time. The phone never works. If they want the business, they will work with you. Another note, they do not want to send a message threw the resort they are bending rules on past due accounts. Might start a wild fire with in resort community.

Have you signed the agreement with resort yet? Why I ask, if past debts are not paid, a signed contract could have been signed with resort and former owner, that could surrender house to resort if debit is not paid in a period of time.

This could be very sticky/suckey situation. I hope it works out for you.

You might end up paying the past due amount and taking former owner to small claims court (Yuck).

Good luck!

[DTro]

So instead of having a "good" paying customer. They would rather have you pay off the debt and lose your future business?

Not a good business plan

I can see however where they would need to protect themselves from deadbeat owners

[harvey lee]

This is a bad deal for sure. I wonder if the resort owner can place a lien on it like a auto repair center and you cannot take the house until the bill is paid? I dont know but the resort owner may have that right.

I guess I would talk with him and see if you can both come to some type of deal that would be fair for both parties, and then dont go back there.

If you can pull the house out of there without a problem, I would then haul it to another resort and let that dog sit. There are plenty of great resorts and business people on Mille Lacs and one does not have to deal with people like this.

[Shack]

From my knowledge of the "Big Pond" rules of ice houses is it all comes down to what a signed contract says or states. If the former owner or new owner signed a contract, that’s when it could become very ugly. if no signed contract, you could show up with the police and a hauler and move it out. The cops will say to owner of resort "take it up in court".

But on the turn side, resorts have to protect them selves. This is a business relation ship for them, not a buddy storing a house for a person. They make their living at this stuff and most times, things are very tight. Resale of a foreclosed Ice shack, can mean going in the red or not for that quarter or month. But on the other hand, if you buy a car and get title transferred over to your name, any out standing funds owned on the Veh. goes back to former owner.

I would say the "slug" here is the former dead beat owner. Before I go further on attacking the former owner, have you contacted him yet about this?

If you do go to court over fee's (Again, like Hanson said. Are they $100 or $1000). I would figure by your post, that they are pretty high. If you go to court, I do not know if it would fall under and "as is" clause or a failure to disclose clause.

Either way, good luck!

[Shack]

Another note is, this is a very good thread for people buying Ice House on any lake in the future. Before you buy one, ask about any hidden stuff that may come back to bite you. I would ask owners of Perm’s and on the internet.

Hindsight, but from the years I have had a shack on the pond, it would be the first question I would ask of the resort and former owner. I also would make it a selling point of the shack.

Harvey Lee,

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can place a lien on it like a auto repair center and you cannot take the house until the bill is paid?

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Thats not always cut and dry as it sounds. I have had customers with outstanding bills show up with cops and that customer always drives off with their car .

I can still hear the police telling me "take it up in court". Its happened a couple of times, what can you do. I will also say, its cab drivers that bring the cops. They hate paying bills, but abuse their cars the most

[Reynolds]

The amount is close to three hundred dollars. I honestly don't believe that getting that amount squared away with the previous owner is going to be a problem. To me, it is the attitude of the resort. This isn't exactly a warm welcome for a new customer. I guess I have to be understanding of their position, but I do think there are other ways to go about it.

[ozzie]

I would just tell the seller of the situation and tell him you are going to settle his tab and take it off the purchase price and then move the house to a different resort.....if the seller doesn't want to work with you and the resort cancel the check and look for a different house cause there are a few of them out there for sale!!

[zamboni]

I think they are trying to get YOU to light a fire under the feet of the previous owner so they don't have to. They want their money, and they think this is the best way to get it, or they figure you'll just pay it. Not saying it's right, just what I think

[broman]

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I would just tell the seller of the situation and tell him you are going to settle his tab and take it off the purchase price and then move the house to a different resort.....if the seller doesn't want to work with you and the resort cancel the check and look for a different house cause there are a few of them out there for sale!!

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He said he already bought it. If he paid cash he's SOL as far as working with the original owner. Best bet is to explain to them that you are going to take your fishhouse elsewhere. I hope you have some kind of documentation from the original owner stating that you paid for the new house. You might need it if this gets legal.

[Orlip]

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The amount is close to three hundred dollars. I honestly don't believe that getting that amount squared away with the previous owner is going to be a problem. To me, it is the attitude of the resort. This isn't exactly a warm welcome for a new customer. I guess I have to be understanding of their position, but I do think there are other ways to go about it.

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How else should the resort deal with it??? When I was looking for a perm a friend told me to make sure and talk to resort before I finalize anything because of just this very same situation. Also because some resorts can have a waiting list to get in and when a house is sold that does not guarantee the new owner a space.

Your situation sucks and I hope other people will benefit from this thread. The one that you should be real upset with is the seller, One sportsman trying to screwing another because it does sound like he knew what he owed.

[huntingmaxima]

If you and the resort cannot come to a satifactory conclusion to this situation please post the resort so that i ccan stay away. Remember I only would like to know the name of the resort if they do not want to cooperate with you. I am on your side also.

[DTro]

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If you and the resort cannot come to a satifactory conclusion to this situation please post the resort so that i ccan stay away. Remember I only would like to know the name of the resort if they do not want to cooperate with you. I am on your side also.

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Since the resort is not here to defend itself, let's try to do this without "naming names".

This is a good learning lesson for other buyers, and I'd hate to see this thread get deleted due to forum policy.

[VMS]

what I don't understand is why the resort is not going after the previous owner for unpaid rent. If there is an unpaid balance, wouldn't there be a "paper trail" of some kind? Even so, for rent to be paid, a verbal agreement would have to be established. A $300 amount would be small claims (I suspect)

No doubt the situation stinks for you as the new owner, and it is not your responsibility to deal with it.. Just a thought...maybe offer to assist the resort somehow in setting up a small claims settlement?

Steve

[mbrau]

The house is the only form of collateral the resort has.So the previous owner should not have sold it without paying off the resort.How else can the resort collect payment? This is not the first time that a house owner has stiffed a resort.Many times a new owner shows up to move a house that has a outstanding balance owed what else can the resort do?

[Capt. Don*]

This is very common with boats stored at marinas, admirality laws come into play. The property has a lien on it. It may be that an ice house could fall under those laws, I don't know. The reason the resort owner goes after the new owner is because its the only leverage he has, I'm sure he has billed prior owner for services, rent,etc. and has gotten nowhere. I would fault the resort owner somewhat, depending on his knowledge of the pending sale, if he had any, for not getting involved and making prospective buyers aware of the situation and prior owner that he would be standing there upon completion of sale for his payment. In the marine world, good marina owners make sure all interested parties in a sale are aware of balances due and that the property has a lien on it, therefore, not a clear title and the new owner accepts those liens if he closes the deal.

Hopefully the prior owner will be responsible and all will be good.

[Shack]

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Also because some resorts can have a waiting list to get in and when a house is sold that does not guarantee the new owner a space.

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That is a very good point. I forgot about this. This is true now a days, more so than 5-10 years back.

Another good reason to talk with resort, before cash is handed over.

[Neiko]

I would try working with the resort owner and if he doesn't want to just inform him so he would have a chance to respond that you are going put his name on this board for future clients to be aware. The issue is between him and the previous owner. You are not liable for contracts people don't honor.

[DzNuts]

I would play it nice with the resort owner, by telling them you are willing to help them out with getting money from the previous owner. Than when all is settled, I'd pack my stuff up and go. He is not being a friend to you so you owe him nothing when debt is settled.

Good luck, Reyonds.