Toyota Tundra

[picksbigwagon]

I am looking at getting a 4 door truck. I would like a F-150 but we are getting a wrecked truck and having it fixed up, and I have been waiting for quite a while to have one come in. I have found a 2005 Toyota Tundra crew cab, wrecked and was wondering if anyone here has owned a Tundra before....I am 6'7" and need the room so that rules out a dodge and chevy.....gas mileage is not that important since it is the same and my mountaineer right now. Any help here would be great.

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[ricqik]

Why is it when comparing the tundra to other trucks, peoples seem to pit it against 3/4-1 ton's. Is it that the domestics 1/2 ton domestics aren't good enough? It's not even in the same class. Usually when they say the tundra can do better than the big three, it's 1/2 ton talk.

[McGurk]

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...one of our work Duramaxs or Cummins can haul around a rubber tire backhoe/24 ft gooseneck alot easier than a Tundra can.

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...in my experience they don't hold up to the way I (and other heavy duty users) use a vehicle.

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Where did anyone say that this truck needed to pull construction equipment for work and require 600lb/ft of torque? he's pulling a friggin' boat around. Apples to apples, please.

Old school T100 driver here, Good Luck! McGurk

[Valv]

Gentlemen, get back to the topic of this thread, information on Toyota Tundra, not a war over brand names or models....

No more fighting

Thank you ......

[McGurk]

I know, I know, you just don't need to throw out a muski lure w/ 20lb test for when all you're after is crappies.

My apologies to mnfishinguy, who obviously has a need to pull around real life Tonka toys (and I am envious! ).

Morning vent out of the way; can now get to work. Good Luck! McGurk

[Jeremy airjer W]

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Why is it when comparing the tundra to other trucks, peoples seem to pit it against 3/4-1 ton's. Is it that the domestics 1/2 ton domestics aren't good enough? It's not even in the same class. Usually when they say the tundra can do better than the big three, it's 1/2 ton talk.

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Thankyou!!!

I'm sure a Peterbuilt can tow a fully loaded 53' trailer a lot better than than a 1 ton ford/chev/dodge, but why would anyone make that comparison? Apples to apples people.

OUTPULL, OUTHAUL, OUTLAST, APPLES TO APPLES !!!

[Duffman]

This has actually been pretty tame, I thought the coals would have been stirred a little more. All the trucks built these days are very nice trucks. Some brands are just going to have more problems than others, that's just the way it is. One of the reasons that mechanics will see more of the Big 3 trucks than the imports is the plain fact that there are tons more of them on the road.

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This truck will out tow, out haul, and outlast any other "domestic" half ton pickup!

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I laughed when I read that, but I think that's Toyotas ad quip. Come on, no chance the Tundra can compete with the big boys from the Big 3 in towing capacity or hauling stuff. As for outlasting them, if the Tundras truck body can prove that it won't fall off after spending 15 winters up here in salt country, then maybe it can. That being said......

[Jeremy airjer W]

Ah ha! Sneaky Duffman got himself a Toyota! Looks like an 03 or 04?

Your right they can't compete with the big three - big boys. I never made that claim, but if you match up the numbers with a comperable big three half ton you'll see what I'm talking about. They'll do everything the comperable half ton will do and do it with less maintenance and more reliability.

As far as the body goes I had a 95 Tacoma, 130k and 0 rust! They really had a problem with the 80's trucks. mainly with the beds. I think part of it was a poorly designed box but after seeing plenty of these truck with flawless cabs I would have to say that maybe some shortcuts were taken as well. Ditto with the late 80's early 90's 4Runner.

[Jeremy airjer W]

TSCTSC, What actually happens is the plugs will loosen up a little. Over time it just wears out the threads and pops out of the hole. These are coil over plugs so the coil usaully stops them. I think part of the problem is that there are only 3-5 turns of thread holding them in in the first place.

Seriously this is a common problem and the plugs litterally come out of the head taking the threads with them, especially with the 5.4 liters

[Duffman]

Airjer....

It's an '05, got 26,000 miles on her already. Traded a 2000 Taco in for her. And before that I had a '86 Trusty Rusty Toy Truck, sold it to some people who were driving it to Equador. They probably lost a rear quarter panel in Kansas and another in Texas , but there is no doubt in my mind that that truck is taking the chickens to market today somewhere south of the border.

[lots of luck]

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I had my car throw a plug a while back. I have never seen that happen before. Bought a new plug screwed it in, been fine since. Bummer to hear about your truck man.

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TSCTSC, What actually happens is the plugs will loosen up a little. Over time it just wears out the threads and pops out of the hole. These are coil over plugs so the coil usaully stops them. I think part of the problem is that there are only 3-5 turns of thread holding them in in the first place.

Seriously this is a common problem and the plugs litterally come out of the head taking the threads with them, especially with the 5.4 liters

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Airjer summed it up well. Too few threads, with aluminum heads equals, vibration and heat leads to plug working its way loose. If I remember right it is common for the rear most passenger side plug to let loose., which I believe was my case. When it ejects it destroys the coil pack it is hooked too also.

I believe there is a group in California that has been working on a big lawsuit for a number of years now. Claiming Ford knows of the defect, yet is allowing this to occurr without notifying current owners. But they are more than happy to schedule you for the +/-$3000 worth of work.

[Jeremy airjer W]

Duff are you sure its not an '04. The fender flares look to small to be an '05.

[ChuckN]

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Wow, never heard of that issue. I have a '97 F150 5.4L and that very same coil failed a few years ago at about 95,000 miles. There was some sort of a coolant line leak in that area that occurs on some 5.4 motors, and the leak eventually kills the coil. That's what my mechanic told me he found on the ones he's worked on. He figured a way to fix the leak to prevent it from happening again.

So, is it best to check that plug for tightness to avoid the issue? It's the worst plug to work on.

And $3,000 worth of work??? For what?

[Macgyver55]

You said "compare the numbers and you'll see" so since I had some free time today, just for the heck of it I did. I've never really taken the time to check thoroughly but it was enlightening. The Toyotas measured up better than I thought they would but not on top in any category.

What I found was that the Tundra is lowest in both torque and horsepower compared to Chevy, Dodge and Ford except in the case of using the competitions smallest available V8 engines. Toyotas only V8 is a 4.7-liter DOHC 32-valve EFI with VVT-i with 271 hp @ 5400 rpm; 313 lb.-ft. @ 3400 rpm. This is comparible to Chevys smallest V8 the 4800 which has 285 Horsepower @ 5200 rpm and 295 ft lbs at 4000rpm.

If you compare "APPLES TO APPLES" like you said and go to Chevys other available 1/2 ton V8s, it isn't even close. The 6.0 has 345 horsepower @ 5200 rpm and 380 lb.-ft. of torque at 4000 rpm. Thats even higher than the Dodge Hemi that has 345hp at 5400, and torque of 375ftlbs at 4200

Chevy is listed with the highest maximum towing capacity at 9900lbs, followed by Dodge 8300, Ford 8200 and Toyota with 6500(Edmunds.com)

Outpull... How?

Moving on to the Fords, I found that their smallest V8 has 231 at 4,750 and 293 at 3,500 (less than Toyota) but if you go to their largest V8 and compare "apples to oranges" I found that the 5.4 has 300hp at 5,000 rpm and 365ft lbs at 3,750 rpm, both higher than Toyota.

On the Dodge line-up their smallest V8 has 235 hp and 300 lb-ft of torque (both less than Toyota) but moving on to their biggest V8 you'll find 345 hp and 375 lb-ft of torque. Again, apples to oranges in a way, but Toyota doesn't even offer another option.

Dodge led the way in maximum payload and is listed at 1980 lbs followed by Chevy at 1716, then Ford with 1630 and Toyota with 1580.

Outhaul? How do you figure?

These are the numbers from Edmunds research. I have to assume they were supplied by each manufacturer. I tried to keep the models as close as possible to compare (using all 1/2 ton 4 door cabs with the most common V8, not the largest available (even though they are)

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm not knocking Toyota in any way. I work on them all just like you and, I only did what you asked.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Out-pull and out-hall because the domestics will be in the shop while the Toyota is working away Sorry, just had to say it

[Ufatz]

If you guys think the pick up truck wars are fun now, just wait until '08 when the new Chinese Choiwan crew cab hits these shores. Can you say rice ride?

[rundrave]

i was thinking the same thing ralph! lol

who cares about the numbers! my truck is more powerfull, can pull more blah blah blah....

the avergage joe doesnt need to pull 10,000lbs, but I can see where people would need the towing capicity, toyota just doesnt market their trucks to that crowd.

Im not going to knock any other manufacturer, but I am a toyota guy myself. I just like getting 23mpg down the highway in my 4x4 truck(Tacoma), pulling the boat I get 17mpg. Cant complain there!

Heres some info I just got from Edmunds.com myself:

Edmunds Link

Top 10 Pickups with the Best Residual Value for 2006

By Warren Clarke

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Is there a new pickup in your future? You'll probably want to purchase one that doesn't take you to the cleaners when it comes to depreciation. With resale value in mind, we've compiled this list of the 10 trucks likely to depreciate the least during ownership. Included is the percentage of its original value that each vehicle is likely to retain after five years with an annual mileage of 15,000. Our residual value percentages are based on each vehicle's national True Market Value (TMV)® price, plus typical options and destination charge.

1. - 2006 Toyota Tacoma — 53%

2. - 2006 Toyota Tundra — 52.1%

3. - 2006 GMC Sierra 3500 — 51.5%

4. - 2006 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 — 51.4%

5. - 2006 Chevrolet Silverado 3500 — 50.6%

6. - 2006 Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD — 50.2%

7. - 2006 GMC Sierra 1500 — 48%

8. - 2006 GMC Sierra 2500HD — 48%

9. - 2006 Honda Ridgeline — 47.6%

10.- 2006 Ford F-350 Super Duty — 47.1%

[picksbigwagon]

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I am looking at getting a 4 door truck. I would like a F-150 but we are getting a wrecked truck and having it fixed up, and I have been waiting for quite a while to have one come in. I have found a 2005 Toyota Tundra crew cab, wrecked and was wondering if anyone here has owned a Tundra before....I am 6'7" and need the room so that rules out a dodge and chevy.....gas mileage is not that important since it is the same and my mountaineer right now. Any help here would be great.

Thanks

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Just thought I would bring back my original message, the truck I want to get fixed up costs more than I can afford. I need a 4 door truck (two kids)that I can fit in comfortably (6'7", well over an eighth of a ton, and I tend to get claustrophobic too). That rules out Chevy and Dodge, Ford has the most room front and back, Tundra is in second, and if I had my choice I would opt for the Toyota, simply becuase I don't need a truckasaurus, I am only pulling a boat or hauling my ice house. I was simply wondering if people here owned a tundra. I thought I had free time......

Next week I am going to ask which is better, Vexillar or Marcum, the next week will be Trilene or Stren, then move onto Benelli or Remington.

This has been fun to read the past couple days, have a great summer everybody.

[jltimm]

Just for some added info for anyone that is interested.Toyota will be making the Tundra bigger for 2007. 5.7 liter v-8 w/300-350 hp,10,000 lb towing capacity,bigger megacab, and the look of a Dodge and Ford giving birth to the new Tundra look.If Toyota only made a diesel pickup here in America I know I would be driving one.Mnfishinguy, I drive Ford powerstrokes all the time,and have driven Dodge Cummins diesels. If I were to buy a full size pickup I would go with the Dodge or Chevy diesel.It is also something to note that the Duramax has an import engine also "Isuzu".

[lots of luck]

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Wow, never heard of that issue. I have a '97 F150 5.4L and that very same coil failed a few years ago at about 95,000 miles. There was some sort of a coolant line leak in that area that occurs on some 5.4 motors, and the leak eventually kills the coil. That's what my mechanic told me he found on the ones he's worked on. He figured a way to fix the leak to prevent it from happening again.

So, is it best to check that plug for tightness to avoid the issue? It's the worst plug to work on.

And $3,000 worth of work??? For what?

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Search the Ford Pickup websites, do a little research and you will find the threads that discuss this fully. Kare 11 I think did a segment about this a year or two ago also.

New head on that side and all the misc. stuff that goes with it. Plus if you have ever changed the plugs you will understand what a huge pain in the rear it is to just do a plug job on the 5.4L. Plus I think they charge that much cause they can.

I should dig up my receipt from the work.

There often is a warning sign of a small audible ticking sound. It is the compression in the cylinder escaping around the plugs threads.

When I had my truck work finished my dad and I did some investigative research on the new plugs. We put a wrench on them and I swear they must have put thread lock, cause those babies were in there tight. Maybe a little insurance for something they know?

[JohnMickish]

I see Airjer went back and editied his original post. It originally said "outpull any domestic pickup" It did not quantify the load rating of said pickup. Since we didn't have any boxes to work with and only had the word "pickup" I chose to use a big one. A person has to be carefull of the words he chooses, especially when making such bold statements. One can also argue that comparing a pickup to any other pickup is still comparing apples to apples, they are both pickups, right?

I think it did say pretty tame though, and some good information was exchanged. I was totally surprized to hear that a 6'7" dude didn't fit in a dodge. Does the "Mega Cab" add any front room or just the back?

[Valv]

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