DNR May ban perms

[leech~~]

So the state and counties want to avoid trees getting cut without getting paid or have them damaged by nails and/or tree steps and it is not managing the land? Sounds like they are managing the land and timber to me. The guys cutting acres of shooting lanes should have to pay for timber value and get charged for theft from the public.

I didn't say anything about cutting shooting lanes. But, if you have been in enough clear cuts to see what is wasted or whole piles lift behind to rot since they moved to the next cutting and it may not pay to go back and get the last load. I don't think a few old Birch, Popple or Oak's with a few boards and nails on them is a large cost waste for them! Hell, the log skidder rolls over more small trees at a clear cut then a few sticks used for making a perm stand!

[Duffman]

Don't all those nails play havoc at the sawmills?

[DonBo]

Don't all those nails play havoc at the sawmills?

Big time!

[Getanet]

As Leech mentioned, they don't take 100% of the trees. With any of clear cutting I've seen in the State Forest I hunt, they just leave the trees with any stands that are visible. The handful of trees that are left standing don't seem to be an issue - many that are cut are just piled up and left anyway.

I suppose there are some nails in trees from years gone by where there is nothing left of the stand for the operator to see.

[icehole10]

This is another one of those issues where if you grew up using them, your ok with them, and if you didn't, well then you against them, and then nobody should use them. Kinda like the deer drive arguments that you see online all the time, if your hunting crew does them, your all for them, and if they don't, well then nobody should do them! it all depends which side of the fence your on!

[B-man715]

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. it all depends which side of the fence your on!

Good point. Since we are talking about being on the literal public side of the fence, I'm glad to see this change too.

If you want to build dangerous-eye sore-tree forts, buy some land of your own

[PurpleFloyd]

I think it's a good idea. I would also think it would Be fine to require temporary stands to be removed on public land when you leave.

Of course when I read the topic I thought it was going to be about permanent houses on lakes which could also come into play

[Getanet]

I think it's a good idea. I would also think it would Be fine to require temporary stands to be removed on public land when you leave.

[loadmaster]

These proposed changes reflect the regs on National Forest Land which covers a huge chunk of Northern Mn. Five years ago they came thru are area just prior to opener and told us to remove all permanent stands and carry out all debris this covered three camps. I think another thing which they do not like is that some of the stands are no longer just a platform but an enclosed area with roofs and windows. So when they start to rot and no longer used guess what, all that junk is left there.

[Getanet]

They change the wording in the Regs book from time to time, but I was under the impression that once you started adding walls, a roof, etc it was considered a "structure" and not a "stand" and already illegal.

[SandPoint]

I have hunted public land my entire life. I have no issue with not allowing folks to cut massive shooting lanes. I also have no issue with having a no walls or roof stipulation.

I do not want to see permanent stands out right banned. While I have not built a permanent in 10 years or so. I use ladder stands now and some, that are far of the beaten trail, stay up year round. And guess what; no nails in the trees. I also don't need to cut shooting lanes because I can place them in spots that give me what I am looking for with out cutting trees.

As far as logging goes- they don't usually take the trees that have permanents attached to them. I have seen them cut the top of the tree off, above a stand.

My question to those that think this will solve the issue of folks trying to lock up public land as "their spot"- Do you think groups that have hunted in the same area for generations will suddenly stop hunting the area because they can't hunt out of a permmy?

I personally like knowing that on opening day I know exactly where most guys are sitting (in their permmys) in the area I hunt.

I think people want to walk off on nice trail not far from where they park and then become discouraged when they see a stand nearby. Put in some time and effort, scout during the off season and get away from easily accessible areas.

Full disclosure; I can't stand when folks try to make a public area theirs. I have dealt with it first hand on a few occasions, in different regions of the state, but these folks will still exsist even if you ban permmys.

I also agree with leechlake that old stands get me feeling nostalgic too.

[leech~~]

I think the whole dam forest should be setup like Lac qui parle goose blinds and we are all assigned where to hunt and what state installed stand to sit in!

Sounds like a fair and progressive way to handle this whole troubling issue that are fathers seem to handle for a 100 years, but we can't!

[delcecchi]

I think the whole dam forest should be setup like Lac qui parle goose blinds and we are all assigned where to hunt and what state installed stand to sit in!

Sounds like a fair and progressive way to handle this whole troubling issue that are fathers seem to handle for a 100 years, but we can't!

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They were after meat in the pot.

[NWKR]

They were after meat in the pot.

Yikes, I'm glad I don't hang out in your deer camp.

[delcecchi]

Yikes, I'm glad I don't hang out in your deer camp.

Why? Are you into showing how manly and potent you are by the size of the deer you shoot? Or if you shoot one? That is the kind of stuff that leads to angry confrontations, it seems to me. That's what I was getting at.

Hunting and fishing are supposed to be fun, an enjoyable activity. I just don't get the whole "I got a big deer" or whatever ego boost thing. Musky fishermen seem to have the same thing going sometimes.

Anyway, whatever gets you through the night.

[loadmaster]

All this talk about stands brought some old memory's back. I remember going out with my dad some 50 years ago do some scouting and then build a stand with what ever we could just using an ax. The stands did not last long as they would rot within two years.

[NWKR]

Why? Are you into showing how manly and potent you are by the size of the deer you shoot? Or if you shoot one? That is the kind of stuff that leads to angry confrontations, it seems to me. That's what I was getting at.

Hunting and fishing are supposed to be fun, an enjoyable activity. I just don't get the whole "I got a big deer" or whatever ego boost thing. Musky fishermen seem to have the same thing going sometimes.

Anyway, whatever gets you through the night.

If how manly and potent I am was similar to the size of deer I shoot, my wife would probably be pretty disappointed... I am happy hunting whether I shoot a deer or not. It also doesn't matter to me if neighbors shoot does, little bucks, or big bucks, as long as it was done legally. I just want to see a picture and congratulate them. I assumed you must have experienced those measuring contests in your hunting camp.. the equating things to the size of something that is now deleted from your above post. Nothing like that happens at any camps I know of.

[delcecchi]

Nope, never experienced any of this "my territory", or anger like some of the folks here seem to have. So I was just musing about what might be motivating those type of people.