Posting Land/Handling Trespassers and Neighbors

[loadmaster]

How about people that post public land. Like most folks on here, they will respect the signs and not even think about entering. I know that if I see land that is posted and I am sure it was public go home and check on line for ownership. I also have seen where people own land next to public, it seems the property lines get extended

[Slabasaurus]

This whole thread contains an awful lot of reminders and examples of why it's really a good idea to be polite when speaking with others, especially out in the woods... never know... the dudes you're talkin to about who's land your on might turn out to be these dudes:

[delcecchi]

And if you find a stand of Weed, or a still or a meth lab, just keep walking and don't look around.

[Getanet]

Which ones are they again? There's been too many nutjobs to count.

[Slabasaurus]

Which ones are they again? There's been too many nutjobs to count.

[Dave S]

Delbert and Timothy Huber were also in the news recently as possible suspects in the disappearance of Jacob Wetterling. The day after an interview with Fox 9, Delbert Huber passed away. There was also something relating to other activities with attempted abductions in the Paynesville area and a tie to the Huber's in that case as well. This was happening at the same time Jacob Wetterling was abducted.

[CaptainMusky]

This whole thread contains an awful lot of reminders and examples of why it's really a good idea to be polite when speaking with others, especially out in the woods... never know... the dudes you're talkin to about who's land your on might turn out to be these dudes:

those are the two "gentlemen" I asked permission to hunt their land. I referenced them in a few previous posts. It could have easily been me or one of you that wound up dead. Lots of nutjobs out there.

[smsmith]

Lots of nutjobs out there.

Yup...be careful out there all you trespassers (legal or not)

[deerminator]

Yep. And if someone confronts you, watch out too. Like that guy who pulled down a ladder stand with a guy in it two years ago in Breezy Point I believe and killed him because he claimed he was trespassing. I would rather have climbed down even if the other guy was in the wrong than dying trying to be right. Not saying that's the case with that guy. Just you can't be sure of what some nut job is going to do. No sense in arguing with someone that might end your life over something so stupid.

[harvey lee]

I guess people have just had it others going on their land. It will continue to only get worse, not correct what has happened to those caught but it will continue .

[delcecchi]

Too many folks with unresolved anger management issues running around.

[brittman]

Oh, yes I do have an issue with having to post land in ND to keep others out, a very big issue with that. It takes me a couple days to post all the fence and gates and the cost is not minimal.

[outdoors247]

With a half mile between signs being legal it shouldn't take that long to post a property unless it's thousands of acres. That ND law sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Also, this is nothing new for ND. I've been hunting up there 30 years and it's always been enforced like it is now.

[hockeybc69]

One thing I wondered for the ND rule...... what if the gate isnt on the roadway?

What if they fence it in, but own an adjoining property and the gate is back off the road and you cant see the gate from a roadway?

I choose to just stay off any land that is fenced,,,,, even if its not posted anywhere in sight.... Sure seems like common sense....

[harvey lee]

Yes, the 880 yards is correct, I post every 100 yards as the 880 does not get the job done. When I talked with the Game and Fish. Few months back they told me all gates and corner posts. In some ares we have, one could not see a sign if they are 880 yards apart so wo go every 100, just to make sure they see the posted signs. But even with that posted every 100 yards, some still say we never saw a sign. Once everything is posted, job is never done as some will rip off a corner of a sign and then they are legal to walk in as unposed land. If one spot the size of a dime is missing from any part of the sign, even if it had no writing on it, then not posted legally, got that from the local CO when I had him out processing a trespassing charge.

[smsmith]

If one spot the size of a dime is missing from any part of the sign, even if it had no writing on it, then not posted legally, got that from the local CO when I had him out processing a trespassing charge.

That's just friggin' stupid. What...is Fish and Game getting a kickback from the sign manufacturers?

[brittman]

Yes, the 880 yards is correct, I post every 100 yards as the 880 does not get the job done. When I talked with the Game and Fish. Few months back they told me all gates and corner posts. In some ares we have, one could not see a sign if they are 880 yards apart so wo go every 100, just to make sure they see the posted signs. But even with that posted every 100 yards, some still say we never saw a sign. Once everything is posted, job is never done as some will rip off a corner of a sign and then they are legal to walk in as unposed land. If one spot the size of a dime is missing from any part of the sign, even if it had no writing on it, then not posted legally, got that from the local CO when I had him out processing a trespassing charge.

If your fence is continuous - you only need to post the gate. That is all they do in the badlands of ND.

Wyndmere CO Tim Phalen said this ? I really doubt it.

The fact that you are over posting would mean they would have to run around tear off part of every sign.

In parts of ND they use metal signs.

In the end much of your problem maybe a few locals who know you are a nonresident landowner and take a risk at "fence jumping" or if your land is near the Sandhills National Grassland ... wondering across. Not right, but ....

[brittman]

More ND code:

Quote:

Hunting on posted lands without permission from the owner or tenant is illegal and punishable by suspension of hunting, fishing and trapping privileges for a period of at least one year.

Hunting on posted lands without permission can be prosecuted even if the land is not posted to the letter of the law.

Seems your CO is somewhat misguided.

[delcecchi]

More ND code:

Quote:

Hunting on posted lands without permission from the owner or tenant is illegal and punishable by suspension of hunting, fishing and trapping privileges for a period of at least one year.

Hunting on posted lands without permission can be prosecuted even if the land is not posted to the letter of the law.

Seems your CO is somewhat misguided.

Cynical interpretation. CO doesn't want to ticket his neighbors to protect some packsacker's land unless he really has to. If he can blow smoke, everybody happy (except you )

[BLACKJACK]

I have come across posted land that I knew for a fact was not private property. People do this from time to time. This is why the law requires a legible signature and contact information on the posting. For this reason, if I come across a sign that says I'm entering private property, I will not take it seriously if there's no signature and contact information with it.

Thats the kind of attitude that pizzes landowners off and makes them say no to all hunters!!!!

I'll bet land being posted by non-owners is a very small percentage of the land posted yet you're using that as an excuse to trespass, even when owners have posted their land but haven't dotted every I and crossed every T.

Are you really any better than all the other trespassers??

If there are 'No trespassing' signs up, but they aren't 100% correct, that landowner obviously cares whos on the land, and their WILL be a confrontation if they catch you - is that what you want?? If you suspect that they aren't legitimate, take the high road, be a good hunter, contact the landowner and find out.

[BLACKJACK]

Yes, the 880 yards is correct, I post every 100 yards as the 880 does not get the job done. When I talked with the Game and Fish. Few months back they told me all gates and corner posts. In some ares we have, one could not see a sign if they are 880 yards apart so wo go every 100, just to make sure they see the posted signs. But even with that posted every 100 yards, some still say we never saw a sign. Once everything is posted, job is never done as some will rip off a corner of a sign and then they are legal to walk in as unposed land. If one spot the size of a dime is missing from any part of the sign, even if it had no writing on it, then not posted legally, got that from the local CO when I had him out processing a trespassing charge.

This is one of my pet peeves with the MN DNR and Fish and wildlife Service, they'll spend $400,000+ on a piece of land but then go cheap on the signs, they should post enough signs so that you can see the next one. Not a problem on big square pieces of land but when they start meandering around ponds and thru woodlots, its awful easy to get over the boundary.

Good fences and good signage makes for good neighbors!!!

[BobT]

Thats the kind of attitude that pizzes landowners off and makes them say no to all hunters!!!!

I'll bet land being posted by non-owners is a very small percentage of the land posted yet you're using that as an excuse to trespass, even when owners have posted their land but haven't dotted every I and crossed every T.

Are you really any better than all the other trespassers??

If there are 'No trespassing' signs up, but they aren't 100% correct, that landowner obviously cares whos on the land, and their WILL be a confrontation if they catch you - is that what you want?? If you suspect that they aren't legitimate, take the high road, be a good hunter, contact the landowner and find out.

How does one do that when the landowner doesn't include his contact information as prescribed by law? Let me take you out into the north woods miles from anywhere and see how easily you can find the owner of the property for me. That might help.

Is it really that difficult for the property owner to add a little information to make it possible to identify himself? Where I deer hunt there is a lot of public land and unposted private land and a fence is almost unheard of. In fact, there is not much that is posted at all and since posted land is a rare instance and I have personally encountered what I knew to be illegally posted land (e.g., public land posted illegally) the potential is a lot higher than you might think. I'm not talking about central MN where property lines are easily identified by fence rows. I'm talking about places like this. What you see are about 100 square miles of nothing but forest with very few people.

[smsmith]

I've kept this thread in mind as I've been driving around central and westcentral MN. I see plenty of posted signs...but I'd bet less than 5% of them have legible signatures or other personal information. I guess if I'm one of the sticklers for details there's ALL KINDS of property for me to go trespass on.

How about this for a common sense policy? If there's posted signs, old or new, signed or unsigned....stay the he!! off that property. Seems like a really good idea to me. For those less averse to likely armed confrontation...go for it.

[NWKR]

It took a few minutes but I looked at block of over 6 sq miles north of Long Lake from the middle of BobT's aerial. It had no fields and only some logging trails and dirt roads. I found this webpage pretty quickly:

http://gis.stlouiscountymn.gov/planningflexviewers/County_Explorer/

It was easy enough to tell where the approximate property boundaries were relative to roads and other landmarks. Of the 2,500+ acres I looked at only a few 100 was private land. Shouldn't be too hard to stay off of the private land. But there were some 20s or 40s of private land in the middle of huge blocks of public land. I have a hard time buying the excuse of land posted illegally being more than pretty rare. Sure it might be a 40 here or there, but anyone who is a big enough d bag to post public land won't take the time to update signs on a large parcel of land.

[NWKR]

I've kept this thread in mind as I've been driving around central and westcentral MN. I see plenty of posted signs...but I'd bet less than 5% of them have legible signatures or other personal information. I guess if I'm one of the sticklers for details there's ALL KINDS of property for me to go trespass on.

How about this for a common sense policy? If there's posted signs, old or new, signed or unsigned....stay the he!! off that property. Seems like a really good idea to me. For those less averse to likely armed confrontation...go for it.

I have noticed the same thing in south central MN, I see very few signs. When a fence row is 10 yards wide and grown in with trees and brush it isn't ag land so its open for some pheasant hunting. I can follow the fence row to the back side of a field that has a nice swamp and patch of trees, and can do some deer hunting there as long as that isn't posted. A lot of land to hunt around here, not sure why people complain about not having places to hunt