New Trailer Decal Requirement

[harvey lee]

Remember that it is the legislators that enact these laws. They are representing their constituents or at least what they feel the majority wants. As with any issue take your message to them and be heard.

BINGO, we can all gripe on this forum or any other and it may not make a difference but if everyone contacted their state reps, maybe something could be done, much better chance of doing that and getting somewhere then here.

[CaptainMusky]

The frustration I have is when legislation like this gets pushed and the representatives have not sought input by their consituents. Why should we have to picket, pound on doors, make phone calls AFTER it is made into law? This is backwords. So many of these things get shoved through special committees and buried in much larger bills that no one has time to read through it all.

The process is broken and corrupt.

[LMITOUT]

Remember that it is the legislators that enact these laws. They are representing their constituents or at least what they feel the majority wants. As with any issue take your message to them and be heard.

#OccupyDNR

It's their bill that they wanted passed.

[Slabasaurus]

Clown

couldn't agree more. Boater education with AIS as a section in the course. One reason we all see so many boating issues just in our normal course of fishing during the season is people think they can drive a boat because they can drive a car and many people can't especially when it comes to something other than just driving in a straight line across a lake.

Make everyone take it, couldn't take much longer than the AIS course and without a doubt help the waters be safer for us all.

It always amazes me how many folks out there can't drive boats, or just don't know the rules.

I won't pretend that anglers are innocent, but the large majority of dolt moves I see come from the rec crowd. Also... how is it so hard to understand what lights to use at night and which ones not to.

[Pat K]

It always amazes me how many folks out there can't drive boats, or just don't know the rules.

I won't pretend that anglers are innocent, but the large majority of dolt moves I see come from the rec crowd. Also... how is it so hard to understand what lights to use at night and which ones not to.

Once you throw lights into the mix it changes everything. Anglers are by far the WORST offenders I have seen when it comes to running or anchoring after dusk without lights on!

[bobbymalone]

Once you throw lights into the mix it changes everything. Anglers are by far the WORST offenders I have seen when it comes to running or anchoring after dusk without lights on!

Might have something to do with the lack of midnight water skiers.

[fishnowworknever]

Once you throw lights into the mix it changes everything. Anglers are by far the WORST offenders I have seen when it comes to running or anchoring after dusk without lights on!

[harvey lee]

The frustration I have is when legislation like this gets pushed and the representatives have not sought input by their consituents. Why should we have to picket, pound on doors, make phone calls AFTER it is made into law? This is backwords. So many of these things get shoved through special committees and buried in much larger bills that no one has time to read through it all.

The process is broken and corrupt.

I would agree Capt that it is backwards but this is now the only hope, to contact your reps and then hope and hope hard maybe this next winter when they are in session, they may take another look at this if only enough contact their reps which I doubt will happen.

I would guess maybe 1 in 50 contact their reps during a session or afterword's. They cannot know how we feel about this if we do not tell them. if we tell them and they do it anyways, then that rep needs to go as they are not voting for their constituent's concerns.

I contacted my rep maybe 30 times while the marji bill was in session, my rep did not vote as I wished as he was not willing to listen to anyone about anything, just what he thought was correct. Hopefully, this Nov., the voters will let him know with a no vote how they feel about how he voted.

That's our only hope if we even have that anymore but a person has to say something to them if there is any hope at all.

[Grum]

Ignorance of the law has never been an accepted excuse to get of a fine or ticket, so I see this new "sticker program" as a "user fee" in which to extract more money from the tax paying citizens that choose to use the states natural resources that they have already paid taxes for.

[RumRiverRat]

I will not comply.

Everyone should not comply with this blatant revenue generating scam.

[hayseed]

I will not comply.

Everyone should not comply with this blatant revenue generating scam.

Yup. That will really generate revenue.

[bobbymalone]

I will not comply.

Everyone should not comply with this blatant revenue generating scam.

Maybe they'll have a high school kid standing around you can verbally berate for it too.

[swampman]

The dnr has gone off the deep end on this and it has to stop!! common sense has went out the window in st paul. If this would solve anything sure I would be on board.

As has been mentioned numerous times this is NOT something they can stop they have admitted off the record the best they can hope for is to slow it down.

They have a track record of stopping or haulting ZERO invasives. From the early favorites like the war on purple loosestrife which hardly gets mentioned anymore to the abandoned carp traps around the state and the list goes on, I am not faulting them for this, as has been written before you cannot stop the spread of these species in a environment that will support them.

If it takes a protest at the capital, contacting your congressmen or whatever to stop this blatant revenue generator to fund this current dead end course they are waging against AIS then so be it.

Enough is enough, last time I checked they were supposed to work for us.

[Igor Drackenwolf]

As a practical matter, regulations and laws are the same thing. But that is ONLY because we as citizens ceded the power to bureacracies and refused to insist that ALL laws governing the actions of free men be passed by a legislature and signed by an executive. Now that ship has sailed. Unelected bureaucrats "deem" a thing to be a law, and it carries the force of law, with no legislative input, thereby no meaningful input from the citizenry.

The outdoorsmen of this state are a POWERFUL lobby. We bring huge economic benefit to the state of Minnesota. We have many sportsmen's associations.

If we truly wish to return the power to the people, we need to insist that all laws governing the activities of Minnesota sportsmen must originate in the state legislature, and that the DNR has no power to create law - only to enforce laws created by the legislature and signed by the governor.

What we have are nanny-staters getting together in cloistered rooms and deciding amongst themselves what is good and wise policy to foist upon sportsmen. The important thing to note here is this: THEY HAVE FAILED.

All measures they have taken that restrict our freedom to enjoy the outdoors in Minnesota have failed to accomplish diddly-squat. Invasive species spread no matter what they force us to do. The regulation-by-bureaucratic-fiat gets more and more and more burdensome, to the point where some people are going to throw in the towel, and just stop enjoying the outdoors.

And don't think for a nanosecond that there aren't wacked-out liberal environmentalist lobbyists who have the ear of regulators, and who would love nothing more than to eliminate your ability to fish and hunt.

Either we find a way to stand up against the ridiculous, or the day will come when our children do not have the freedom and/or the money to carry on the tradition of sportsmen in Minnesota.

[Igor Drackenwolf]

The DNR has essentially gotten to the point where they are saying, "Sure you have the freedom to enjoy the outdoors, but you'll have to do A, B, and C, and X, Y, and Z, and it's going to suck, it's going to be time consuming, and it's going to be nearly impossible in many circumstances for you to be in strict compliance. Oh, and by the way, what we've done hasn't worked, but you should just trust us - this new burden will work."

All hogwash.

Under that kind of ridiculous edict, it is logical that some people will find compliance to be too much of a burden, too much of a risk, and will simply stop fishing/hunting.

[Slabasaurus]

Either we find a way to stand up against the ridiculous, or the day will come when our children do not have the freedom and/or the money to carry on the tradition of sportsmen in Minnesota.

I find this a bit out there seeing as the right to hunt and fish is a right guaranteed to the citizens of MN in the MN state constitution...

RRR Relates: there is your avenue for legal challenge, if you wanted to try the Fellegy route anyway.

[harvey lee]

If we truly wish to return the power to the people, we need to insist that all laws governing the activities of Minnesota sportsmen must originate in the state legislature, and that the DNR has no power to create law - only to enforce laws created by the legislature and signed by the governor.

Igor Drack, I do believe most laws passed and implemented by the DNR go through the legislature now. This AIS mess did go through the State Legislature.

I see the real issue is the fact that most everything the DNR wants is approved by the Legislature now. The DNR wants it and more times than not, they get it, that has to stop and the Legislature needs to just maybe make these laws for what the people want.

Trouble with that is, everyone wants something different, like the buck only laws for some zones, some want it and some not.

[Igor Drackenwolf]

I find this a bit out there seeing as the right to hunt and fish is a right guaranteed to the citizens of MN in the MN state constitution...

[ClownColor]

I will not comply.

Everyone should not comply with this blatant revenue generating scam.

it'll only be revenue generating if you don't comply

[corncob]

I find it truly disgusting that whenever a problem such as the Zebra Mussells or Asian Carp appear, the State and the DNR set up hearings,shout to the rafters about this horrific situation,and by the time they get around to doing anything about it 5 years or so have passed ,and , of course it's too d%&n late....Then ,action is taken in the form of boat inspections , stickers, mandatory courses,tickets issued, etc, none of which will do a bloody bit of good, cause it's "TOO D@%N LATE"! ........All this just covering their rear ends and collecting more revenue.

[Ufatz]

Igor has posted factual information. Read it again.....carefully...it will help you understand the regulatory process at the State level. Every state (to my knowledge) has a similar progression to issue a "regulation". And I believe you will find that each MN department or agency has been delegated rule making authority.

In all cases it is always subject to Legislative oversight.

[Igor Drackenwolf]

Igor has posted factual information. Read it again.....carefully...it will help you understand the regulatory process at the State level. Every state (to my knowledge) has a similar progression to issue a "regulation". And I believe you will find that each MN department or agency has been delegated rule making authority.

In all cases it is always subject to Legislative oversight.

...and it is citizens accepting "rules" as law in the first place, that leads to the kind of runaway regulation we deal with on both the state and federal level.

Americans were never meant to be governed by "rules". Rules are not laws. We are meant to be governed by laws enacted by legislators accountable through an electoral process.

[DTro]

The moment we funded an AIS task force/branch/dept we were in trouble.

[fish_eat_sleep]

Clearly states only warnings and no tickets for not taking the course until 2016 so i don't know why any of us that actually use boats and understand AIS should waste our money this year. if enough of us voice doubts in this idea maybe they will toss this one too.

Fact is only undereducated outdoors people or people that seldom get out are the ones they need to worry about. Any "regular", including every single member or person reading this forum already care about their passion and gets out enough to know the laws and the concerns the DNR has.

[Ufatz]

Igor, I understand your reasoning, but you are wrong. A regulation adopted under the provisions of a LAW are enforceable as law. For all practical purposes they ARE law, even though you fellas can sit around and debate hell out of it if you wish!!! Ha Ha Ha