Manziel Debate

[BuckSutherland]

Poor Johnny might be destined for doom if the reports are true about the Browns doing whatever it takes to get him.

They (Cleveland) will get him or Houston will stay put and take him. If I was Houston at 1 or St Louis at 2 I would be pushing hard for a deal with Cleveland. If it is St Louis I look for them to be a major powerhouse in a couple years. They just might get the same deal the Redskins gave up for RG3. The Vikings would have to give away 2 years of draft to try and get this tool. No way he is worth it.

[zepman]

The Browns are a lot like the Vikings...pretty decent squad but lacking one piece...QB.

[FISHINGURU]

Don't forget about coaching.

They do have a good defense and some offensive weapons, similar to the Chiefs last year, teams can turn it around quick if the chips fall in place.

[DrJuice1980]

The Vikes have a ton of holes, so do the Browns. QB is only one of them. And Rico-suave, my stance has never been "we dont need a QB." It has been that there is not an answer to our QB problems in this draft. Im not at all excited about any of these guys, the only guy I'd be open to would be Carr, I think I'd be more open if his last name wasnt Carr though. I believe this draft has some attractive players to build a defense out of, and it seems as if we got the right guy here to do it. Cinncy has had excellent LB play for years and that team has been built around its defense. Hopefully Zimmer can continue that here, no they havent made the superbowl or anything but they also havent had anything close to AP.

Ive been pretty clear on this stance the entire forum.

[FISHINGURU]

I say take the best player available we could use it at almost any position, I'd rather move down then up. I wouldn't want for us to reach again for a QB just for the sake of saying we took a QB to try and have him be the future of the franchise. Hopefully reaching for Ponder taught them a lesson, we could of got a real good player at a different position with that pick.

We very well could stack up on Defense early since our D was bottom of the league, DE, DT, LB, CB, S, could use help anywhere on D, an o-line stud wouldn't hurt, either would an elite WR.

[fishersofmen]

I agree this team needs a ton of work on defense. Are there any solid free agent qb's available this year or no? I wonder if they will keep Ponder on the roster, maybe 3rd string.

[FISHINGURU]

Not really...

Josh McCown, QB, Bears. Age: 35

Michael Vick, QB, Eagles. Age: 34

Josh Freeman, QB, Vikings. Age: 26

Shaun Hill, QB, Lions. Age: 34.

Chad Henne, QB, Jaguars. Age: 29.

T-Junk, QB, Seahawks. Age: 31.

Luke McCown, QB, Saints. Age: 33.

Kellen Clemens, QB, Rams. Age: 31.

Matt Flynn, QB, Packers. Age: 29.

Rex Grossman, QB, Redskins. Age: 34.

Colt McCoy, QB, 49ers. Age: 27.

Joe Webb, QB/WR, Vikings. Age: 27.

Dan Orlovsky, QB, Buccaneers. Age: 31.

Derek Anderson, QB, Panthers. Age: 31.

[zepman]

I wouldn't be suprised at all if the Vikes went heavy D in this draft. Zimmer is a defensive guy...he'll want to make his "mark" with this team defensively. I'll guess three of the first 4 picks will be D players.

[Big Dave2]

Quote:

Johnny Manziel declines Super Bowl appearances to train

Johnny Manziel has received a lot of attention -- much of it negative -- for his off-field decisions the past 15 or so months. Surprisingly, his decision this week to bypass the Super Bowl and all its festivities hasn't received all that much publicity.

His agent, Eric Burkhardt, said Manziel was presented opportunities to go to New York but declined. Some reports have said those opportunities included money for promotional services. But Manziel is putting work before pleasure, trading what likely would've been a six-figure payday for workouts to improve his footwork. Can you imagine the attention he would've received had he gone to New York and bypassed the daily workouts?

[BuckSutherland]

The little boy is doing everything he can to get himself selected #1 overall in the draft. He wants to stay in TX bigtime.

He will not make it past 4, and I highly doubt he makes it past 3.

If he makes it past 1, Cleveland will give up the draft to move ahead of Jacksonville to get him, and the Rams can still get their guy and accumulate a bunch of value at 4.

Looks like we could have Manzel, Bortles and Bridgewater going 1-3. Clowney should end up in Oakland unless the Rams take him cause they think he is the best available. I really hope the Vikings trade back now and pick up some value.

I would laugh if he was passed by Houston and the Rams drafted him at 2. That would screw up a ton of draft boards.

[Scott K]

Meh, its all smoke right now. I think Bridgewater, and Manzeil will be gone in the top 5, Bortles might be there at 8, if he is we should take him.

There will be some great play makers available at 8, that will help this team out. I would rather they draft a playmaker, rather then dropping back and picking up a couple mediocre fill ins. Either move up for Bridgewater, or Manziel, hold tight for Bortles, or grab the best playmaker on the board. WR, CB, LB, DE, OL, DL, there will be a good player available for us.

[FISHINGURU]

Manziels official height is 5'11 3/4.

[DrJuice1980]

How about you cite the one that says 6'1"?

[DrJuice1980]

More good reads, he is untrustworthy as well...

BigDave I've seen Manziel lusted at 5'10" as recent as November. So either he's grown 3" in a month or one of those is wrong. Have you ever heard of a players size being exaggerated? He is closer to 5'10" then 6'1".

[zepman]

Big deal...he's a full inch taller than R. Wilson and his height, or lack there of, certainly doesn't hold him back.

[gunner55]

Just heard a interview with B. Polian on ESPN & he was more concerned about his style of play than his size.He said that his long time OC in Indy often told him that there wasn't many old running QB's in the NFL.

[DrJuice1980]

I know, I know. Just funny to call the guy who calls everybody else a kool aid drinker the same.

[Big Dave2]

I know, I know. Just funny to call the guy who calls everybody else a kool aid drinker the same.

Who would that be?

[LMITOUT]

[CaptainMusky]

His official 40 time was 4.68, but who's checking facts. Since he was "6'1" " right Big Dave?

[LMITOUT]

Because 12/100ths of a second and 1.25" matter.

Riggggght.

*rollseyes*

[zepman]

His official 40 time was 4.68, but who's checking facts. Since he was "6'1" " right Big Dave?[/quote

Did you happen to see what he did in the cone drill and 20 yd. shuttle...pretty much blew everybody out of the water.

They also showed a Manziel VS Koepernick side by side comparison running the 40 yd. dash...Manziel was ahead of him at 20-25 yards and Koeps long legs kicked in at the end.

I'll take quickness over flat out speed anyday....especially at QB.

[CaptainMusky]

Zep I would agree that quickness is more important to evade pressure than overall speed.

LMT clowney did the 40 in 4.47 what took johnny so long?

[DrJuice1980]

Still dont want him or any other QB with our top pick. His style isnt the way of the future. He'll get paid by somebody, I just hope it aint the Vikes.

[LMITOUT]

LMT clowney did the 40 in 4.47 what took johnny so long?

And that is relevant how? Oh that's right, it isn't.