Time for Jared Allen to go

[Musky Buck]

Both D ends should go, but luckily lol we re-signed Robison lol, he's really bad and Allen has lost a step for sure. But, we're hurting all over the place defensively so who knows really, we're such a mess.

[LABS4ME]

Seattle has told the Vikings they have interest in Allan, but only has 2 million salary cap space. We'll see if the Vikings truely want to move him in the next couple of hours.

The seaHawks are gonna have to add horns to the chicken on their helmets or add some purple to their jersies with all the Vikings on their team. MN is their farm team! HA

Good Luck!

Ken

[Scott K]

I think it has more to do with our system, then anything else. You can mask a weak line, and only having 4 guys up front, if your line backers can handle the middle coverage, in case someone breaks out of the front line. It also helps if you are only rushing 4 guys, that your CB, and safeties can cover some one, rather then receivers being wide open every play. The way it looks now, is that our line men suck, our line backers suck, and our DB suck, but to be honest with you, we have a few good players, and a bunch of decent players, and some bad ones. A good coach would be able to play the good players strengths into our system, and masking the bad players bad points. But we dont have a good coach to run a decent system for the players we have. Cover two only works if you have really good linemen, and good coverage for the DB. We need to ditch the cover two, we dont have the personnel to run it, and it is a little out dated in todays pass happy league, with the gun slingers in our division.

The only way this team will have a future, is to tear it apart. Starting with the GM, and all the way into line coaches. Clean house on the players that arent worth a dump, then rebuild. I am with Buck on the fact, we need a QB to build around, but I am realistic in the fact, I am not sure where one just goes to get one of them sure thing QB's. But we need to start there. As for Peterson, I guess I would keep him, unless the right offer came about. I wouldnt let him go for less then two 1st, and a 3rd, unless he demands to be traded, then I would get what I could for him. Otherwise, keep him, and use him to bring in the crowds.

[LMITOUT]

Looks like 31 other teams couldn't get past the stat line, either, and missed "how good this guy is at containment (D-Ends first responsibility) and run stopping". Not to mention how "the guy constantly breaks blocks and makes tackles on the edge."

You'd think that Allen would be someone that every team would want because "his effort is very hard to match for anybody on any team."

LOL.

[DrJuice1980]

I think it has more to do with our system, then anything else. You can mask a weak line, and only having 4 guys up front, if your line backers can handle the middle coverage, in case someone breaks out of the front line. It also helps if you are only rushing 4 guys, that your CB, and safeties can cover some one, rather then receivers being wide open every play. The way it looks now, is that our line men suck, our line backers suck, and our DB suck, but to be honest with you, we have a few good players, and a bunch of decent players, and some bad ones. A good coach would be able to play the good players strengths into our system, and masking the bad players bad points. But we dont have a good coach to run a decent system for the players we have. Cover two only works if you have really good linemen, and good coverage for the DB. We need to ditch the cover two, we dont have the personnel to run it, and it is a little out dated in todays pass happy league, with the gun slingers in our division.

The only way this team will have a future, is to tear it apart. Starting with the GM, and all the way into line coaches. Clean house on the players that arent worth a dump, then rebuild. I am with Buck on the fact, we need a QB to build around, but I am realistic in the fact, I am not sure where one just goes to get one of them sure thing QB's. But we need to start there. As for Peterson, I guess I would keep him, unless the right offer came about. I wouldnt let him go for less then two 1st, and a 3rd, unless he demands to be traded, then I would get what I could for him. Otherwise, keep him, and use him to bring in the crowds.

+1, until the Buck agreement

You don't need to build around a QB unless it's a Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rogers which don't come around often and we have zero chance of getting in the foreseeable future. Getting a serviceable guy in here shouldn't be hard and we need to use the rest of this season to find one. We sure aren't going to coach one up now are we. It does start at the top and there needs to be a shake up big time. We're pretty screwed when you think about it, mid season and this bad, ouch.

[FISHINGURU]

Bummer we should of took anything we could of got for him at this point.

[Scott K]

Bummer we should of took anything we could of got for him at this point.

Well, we will get a 3rd round compensation pick if we lose him in free agencey at the end of the year, so if we have no intention on re signing him, we will at least have a 3rd round for him. It wouldnt make any sense to trade him for any less then that now, all we would gain is the 7 million we save in salary. But that wont effect the team, or us at all.

[FISHINGURU]

That's not how it goes, we are not guaranteed a 3rd round pick.

[LMITOUT]

No need to build around a new QB...the Vikings have had him all along!

[YiGGiN4SLoBS]

You got an LOL out of me on that one LMIT! That is CLASSIC footage.... LOVE the mullet

[Big Dave2]

That's not how it goes, we are not guaranteed a 3rd round pick.

[LMITOUT]

Quote:

Despite widespread reports and speculation that the Vikings would get a third-round compensatory pick in 2015 if Allen leaves as a free agent in 2014, a source with knowledge of the formula tells PFT that the Vikings would be limited to a fifth-round compensatory pick for Allen.

The system is designed to protect teams who lose players after their rookie deals have expired. For players like Allen, who have completed two multi-year contracts, the impact of the departure is less significant.

Per the source, there’s an exception to this rule. For quarterbacks who leave via free agency, it doesn’t matter whether one, two, or more contracts have been completed — a third-round pick could still be available as the maximum compensation, based on the other relevant factors.

This means that, if the Vikings are getting offers for Allen, they need to compare the proposed trade compensation in 2014 with the fact that, at most, they’ll get a fifth-round compensatory pick in 2015.

Which is basically a sixth-round pick since it comes after all of the regular fifth-round picks.

Which makes it roughly worth a seventh-round pick in 2014.

[FISHINGURU]

Whoop There It Is!

[LABS4ME]

yep any 5th, 6th, or 7th round pick in the upcoming 2014 draft would have carried more value than a 5th in the 2015 draft which is as stated, essentially a 6th as it is in the end of the 5th round. You need help now! Not two years from now!

Good Luck!

Ken

[BuckSutherland]

Still waiting for this pussywillow to show up this year. Only 5 sacks all season. 2.5 came against Pittsburgh and a completely decimated line. Another one Cutler fell over and boy wonder got to play tag with him. That means in 10 games (minus Pitt) he has 1.5 sacks.

4th round draft pick David Bakiarti of GB owned him twice this season. Everson Griffen would have 10+ sacks already, and is better at stopping the run if he were playing. So sick of the commentators saying how great he is every week. They must be watching tape from 5 years ago. Dude is done.

[greebs]

I would agree that for all the hype he gets, he's underperformed greatly, along with many of his teammates on the defense. His patented speed rush is very effective in obvious passing situations but that same speed rush not so effective on other plays. Will give him credit though for his play during ot last weekend. He was putting a boatload of pressure on Flynn that whole ot period.

[BuckSutherland]

Just wondering where Jared was last Sunday??? I cant remember him doing anything other than falling on Dalton's feet and getting credit for half a sack after we were already blown out. Zero pressure the entire game. Maybe the secondary wouldnt look so bad if we could actually get some pressure on the QB and force some errant throws. Not since Herschel Walker has a Viking been so hyped and completely under preformed.

Glad I only have to watch this goat-roping donkey lover play one more game as a Viking.

[Scott K]

Buck, we all know Jared was dating your wife, so we understand your hatred for him, but Jared will end up in the Hall of Fame. He has had an off year, compared to his career. Sure he is on the decline, and is over payed this year, but that happens with long contracts. Not his fault. Jarred Allen is actually a rather nice guy. I have had personal dealings with him in the past. In fact, he knows he is not going to be a Vikings next year, and yet him and Robison are going out of their way, after the season, to help with my grandsons benefit.

Doesnt really sound like the big bad guy you describe of him. Did you expect him to go to the FO, and tell them I make to much money, take some away from me, since I have declined at the end of my contract?

[BuckSutherland]

Buck, we all know Jared was dating your wife, so we understand your hatred for him, but Jared will end up in the Hall of Fame. He has had an off year, compared to his career. Sure he is on the decline, and is over payed this year, but that happens with long contracts. Not his fault. Jarred Allen is actually a rather nice guy. I have had personal dealings with him in the past. In fact, he knows he is not going to be a Vikings next year, and yet him and Robison are going out of their way, after the season, to help with my grandsons benefit.

Doesnt really sound like the big bad guy you describe of him. Did you expect him to go to the FO, and tell them I make to much money, take some away from me, since I have declined at the end of my contract?

Yep, thanks for the personal insult. Maybe you should kick yourself off for a week now and sit in the penalty box like you did to me. As far as him off the field I could care less! He isnt getting paid to go to the hospital or go to charity events or whatever. He is getting paid to play football. He is getting paid nearly 1/6th of the entire salary cap. Shouldnt be to hard for him to figure out why we couldn't keep a guy like Winfield.

And how many games did he show up when it mattered through his career??? He has almost always been on losing teams. When he almost broke the record all he did was rush the passer. Played every play like a pass. He is not a team player at all. And before you get your little package in a bunch I am more frustrated with the Vikings organization (all MN sports in general) for giving a big long-term deal to another has-been on the end of his career. I would have taken one look at that bloated fat salary at the beginning of the year and cut him. A complete joke. I dont honestly know how he can accept it all for the way he performs. I guess I would feel a little more guilty going out there getting paid huge to do nothing. He would make a great gov't employee.

[Scott K]

Buck, I have no authority to sit anyone out. If I did, SillyTown would be a ghost town. There wasnt really a personal insult there at all. Sorry if it offended you.

Jared was offered a big contract in his prime. That contract was honored on both sides of the fence. Should the Vikings have cut Allen this summer, yes. But they had no one better to fill his shoes. One could argue, Allen may not have made much of an impact for the outcome of the games, but that is usually the case in most positions on the field. It is a team sport, and hard for a single player to win games, but easy for a single player to lose it for you. I can say there werent to many games in the past 7 years, where I said, Allen lost that game for us.

[harvey lee]

Jared is no different than any other high paid athlete. They sign a huge contract and the team agrees they are worth that money or heck, they would not sign them.

As the years go by, the players get older and lose some of thier speed. Happens to everyone who plays long enough.

Not sure why they should have to give any of thier pay back if they underperform the last year or so.

They do not get paid anymore if they perform better so they same the other way.

The entire team has issues and many are upset they play like they do. Can't blame 1 player and 1 player will not turn this team around no matter how much someone dislikes them.

Is Joe Mauer still worth the big money he recieves even after he has to take another position since he cannot catch anymore? They each signed a legal contract and they both have to live with it.

[harvey lee]

Just wondering where Jared was last Sunday??? I cant remember him doing anything other than falling on Dalton's feet and getting credit for half a sack after we were already blown out. Zero pressure the entire game. Maybe the secondary wouldnt look so bad if we could actually get some pressure on the QB and force some errant throws. Not since Herschel Walker has a Viking been so hyped and completely under preformed.

Glad I only have to watch this goat-roping donkey lover play one more game as a Viking.

Noone is forcing you Buck to watch the Vikes or JARED, you choose to so you can come in this forum and whine about Jared. I quit watching the Vikes this year as they have stunk it up and until Zigy changes his coaching staff totally, I will not watch them.

Coming in here and whining about the coaching staff will not change one thing so I jst leave it be.

If you believe Jared is the reason we lose, you have not watched to many games, it's a team and it takes a team to win. Lot's of holes in the entire team.

[BuckSutherland]

Looks like you guys took the bait. Who says you cant troll in the winter.

And its not as much about JA as it is about the stupid huge contracts that we give away in MN. JA, Peterson, Herschel, Dumbte Culdungger, Kevin Garrnet, Joe Mauer, the Silver Fox. We continually try to buy championships and it doesnt work. Look at the Wild and the lovefest most of you have for Parisite, Pompusville and Suter. How is that working out?? Is that really what we wanted to be on the playoff bubble each year with these guys?? Is that all the more we can expect from a MN team?? They will be out of cash to keep other players and will blow for the next ten years.

And Harvey I watch cause I am paying for them. The least I could do is get some enjoyment out of it. They have lots of holes so you dont spend everything you have to keep one mediocre player. They could have had 3 mediocre players for what they paid JA. It would have been an upgrade from the dreadfullness that was this season.

I hope he doesnt show up for the Lions game, cause we need to lose, but I think we are going to blow them out.

[Eric Wettschreck]

Ok, I'll bite. How are you paying for them?

[Inthehollow]

Some one must be on the naughty list and did not get a visit. Sure the season did not go good but it is almost over. The hope of a new coach and a true Nfl qb is in are future or lets hope