pikehunter Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I hunted in the area of the state with antler point restrictions for the first time over the weekend. Admittedly, ever since implemented, I've been one of those to chide the whiners. After all, how hard is it to make sure a buck has four points on one side?The answer is: harder than I thought! I spent the weekend hunting some SE MN public land in hopes to put an early season doe in the freezer. I was waiting for such a doe to walk past my ground blind Sunday night when I looked to my left and 12 yards away, saw nothing but antler staring in my direction. My gut said shooter - instantly. But my mind reminded me to double-check antler points to stay on the right side of the law. Mind you, the sun had just set, and the buck was standing under a pretty dense vegetative canopy, so a lack of light was my enemy, but I, for the life of me, couldn't count the points on that buck. What was definitive, is this deer was sporting some serious head gear. It was just sparse - with long, spaced out tines. (And perhaps a broken one on the right side.) As he stepped into the shooting land and I saw his sheer size -- he was a brute -- it occurred to me that I might have been too cautiously counting. After all, with that much rack, there had to be four, right? And by the time that thought crossed my mind, he stepped out of my shooting lane and out of sight. I'll be kicking myself for quite some time about this one, even though I don't know what I could have done differently - except assume there is always a 1-inch brow tine on a mature buck and count up from there. Just thought I would share (err, vent). Anyone have any veteran tips on antler point counting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey lee Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I will give you alot of credit for not shooting and checking after the kill.It's a tough call but in my mind, you made the correct one in letting it go.I hope the deer gods reward you for making sure before the shot, too many others would have shot first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96trigger Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Couple things to ponder...Generally, down here, if it is that big, it will have 4 points on one side. I commend you for making sure that you got a good count. You had issues with visibility and you probably should have taken care of that first to make sure you had clear shooting lanes. You mention that you were after a doe. In my experience, it is harder to identify the does now than it is the legal bucks. At last light, you really have to be confident that the "doe" is really a doe, and doesnt have one legal antler. If you struggled to identify a legal buck, I think you would have had a harder time identifying a legal doe in that situation. Especially now with all the vegatation, it is critical that you are able to get multiple, good shooting lanes and clear sight lines. I would also get in the habit of carrying binoculars with me for just those types of situations. As winter gets closer and the woods starts to die, those issues will diminish and deer will be easier to identify. Once again I commend you for not shooting without completely identifying the deer. It would have been tough for a number of people, myself included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruthWalleyes Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Pike, I hear ya. It can be darn difficult to know 100%. I'll +96trigger a hundred times with making sure again 100% that doe doesn't have a spike. Just got to be patient. Continue the rant on the APR thread so we can get a few more pages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruthWalleyes Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I also always for some reason never count the inside time... plus, I generally pass on bucks anyway. Darn deer never keep their heads still lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmellEsox Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 You made the right choice. Congrats. And what a thrill to have a big deer close by. W/o APR, it might not have ever happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruthWalleyes Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 You made the right choice. Congrats. And what a thrill to have a big deer close by. W/o APR, it might not have ever happened. Agreed. Nobody shot big deer or saw big deer before APR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey lee Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Of course the end result could be more of the larger bucks. If everyone shot smaller bucks, how would they ever get larger???Enough of the APR, again congrats on doing it the correct way and the lawful way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleFloyd Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Agreed. Nobody shot big deer or saw big deer before APR. LMBO. Never fear, there will be probably 20-30 monsters parading by every day so just sit back and choose the one that blends with the rest of the racks on the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey lee Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I saw 5 of those big boys yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Good job pikehunter!I agree that it can be more difficult to judge a doe vs. a spike. My trail cam showed a couple near one of my stand sites and the first thing I told my buddy when we were looking at the pics is "Good to know, I better be extra careful there".It's all just part of staying within the regulations of the hunt. I never hit the woods without my binoculars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeybc69 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Great job Pike. No sense in playing the guessing game.Seeing a mature buck on the hoof during legal light is a great thing! Even if you dont get to pull the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crappie Rage Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Binoculars??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKJACK Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I don't hunt in an area with APR restrictions so I haven't really paid attention but I 'assumed' that a bowhunter could still shoot anything!!! From the tone of the previous posts I guess not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmellEsox Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 That's why I said "might" TW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikehunter Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 Wow, thanks for the kind words and encouragement everyone. Didn't see that coming. Good point as well about properly ID-ing does. While binoculars wouldn't have helped me in this instance (my sight line was a wide open shooting lane, but it's only about 5-yards wide and 30 yards deep), I'll be taking an extra step in the future of clearing peep lanes up the trail, so I might be able to get an earlier look, giving me a chance to judge it through an earlier lane and shoot it through the intended passage. Thanks again for the feedback ... and as some have mentioned, yeah, this one will stick in my craw for a little bit, but what a cool, close encounter with a good buck. Worth it, any day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyeReD Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 You did the right thing pikehunter... Now that you know he's in there, go back and try to get on him again. Hopefully, the next time he gives you a better look at his antlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocowheats Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 http://northernwoodlands.org/outside_story/article/are-vermonts-deer-losing-their-antlersHere is any interesting article on negative side effects of antler restrictions. I know MN restrictions are different, but the same concepts could still apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96trigger Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 The article was written by a farmer/writer. He aludes to scientific evidence but fails to give any anywhere in the article. I like APR's but even an anti-APR person should be able to see that was an article based purely on speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruthWalleyes Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 http://northernwoodlands.org/outside_story/article/are-vermonts-deer-losing-their-antlersHere is any interesting article on negative side effects of antler restrictions. I know MN restrictions are different, but the same concepts could still apply. Sweet. SHoot a spike or a buck with a 13" or better spread! Now the meat hunters can shoot their spike and the APR Lovers like me (LOL) can get out our tape measures and shoot the big racks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candiru Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 I have said it before but why can't the Regulation say 3 per side but brow tines don't count? It is tougher to tell a doe from a spike or small fork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96trigger Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 I would have absolutely no problem with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruthWalleyes Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 I have said it before but why can't the Regulation say 3 per side but brow tines don't count? It is tougher to tell a doe from a spike or small fork. That still wouldn't help you Id a doe unless you made spikes legal to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear55 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 I have said it before but why can't the Regulation say 3 per side but brow tines don't count? It is tougher to tell a doe from a spike or small fork. This does make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech~~ Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Well it does say "Restrict-ions". Good luck, hope you can get some meat this year down there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now ↓↓↓ or ask your question and then register. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.