2013 Vikings off season

[Scott K]

In order to get Patterson, we would be giving up at least both our 1st rounds picks, a second, and more then likely a 3rd. Patterson will be gone in the top 10 picks.

I believe we are sitting at just under 15 million, but we need about 4 million or so for draft picks.

[DrJuice1980]

There's NO WAY it would take that much, 4 for 1 all early rounds? Thats huge! No way. At most it would be our 2nd first rounder but most likely 23 and our 2nd round choice. Well worth it for him, nice frame, 6-3, 4.4 40, 37" vert, hands galore. This guy is the pick we NEED! Mark my word he is going to be LEGIT. Not too many come around like him. I'd be content if we didn't pick up a FA WR and got him.

[BuckSutherland]

I dont know who we are going to sign, but if I were drafting it would be something like this

1. Best DT available

1. Matt Barkley

2. WR

3. WR

4. LB

4. LB

5. DT

6. WR

6. CB

7. Safety

We Have Audie Cole. We are set at LB.

But really, we need MAJOR help at DT, almost as much as WR. A good front four will make marginal LBs look good. Look what the Giants did to the Patriots twice in the Superbowl. That Dline blew up the pocket on Brady and they had gradeschool teachers like Chase Blackburn at LB. Put a new stud next to Allen with Griffen playing more and we could be pretty good up front again. Might help Allen have a better year than last year. A good Dline will make everyone behind them way better.

I doubt we take a QB early, but I think we will take one. Low risk, possible high reward like Rickey wants. I wouldnt be opposed to 2 DTs in round one and trade back into round 2 and get two WRs. I just hope we dont trade up early and reach for someone like patterson and blow our picks.

[DrJuice1980]

DT and then Barkley! Seriously, WOW! Worst mock draft I have ever seen.

[BuckSutherland]

yeah, we get it. U want to win fantasy football every week. The rest of us would like a Superbowl.

[YiGGiN4SLoBS]

I dont know who we are going to sign, but if I were drafting it would be something like this

But really, we need MAJOR help at DT, almost as much as WR. A good front four will make marginal LBs look good. Look what the Giants did to the Patriots twice in the Superbowl. That Dline blew up the pocket on Brady and they had gradeschool teachers like Chase Blackburn at LB. Put a new stud next to Allen with Griffen playing more and we could be pretty good up front again. Might help Allen have a better year than last year. A good Dline will make everyone behind them way better.

Agree with what your saying here.... but i wouldnt use our first pick on a DT. Id rather take the best LB available. We need a stud at MLB in this cover 2 we play that can cover, blitz and play the run. Tampa had derrick brooks, bears have urlacher even though he pretty much used up. Id rather take a LB that fits that bill somewhat in the first and obviously a wr with the other 1st rd. Sorry but Jasper Brinkley aint cuttin it

As for Barkley- I would be VERY leary about USC playboy quarterbacks if I were you Buck...

[zepman]

Juice...

The picks you're going to have to give up to move in a position to take Patterson is not worth it. There are just way too many other options than him at WR...the draft is loaded with them. The 2nd and 3rd and even 4th round is where the Vikes desparately need to pick up long term starters at either WR, DT, LB, OLB, and CB. Way too many needs to be throwing those high end picks around.

Patterson is not Megatron, Fitz, AJ Green and/or Julio Jones...nobody has even mentioned him with the likes of those guys. If one of the above were available then it would make more sense...Patterson is not even the #1 ranked receiver on many "experts" boards this year.

[DrJuice1980]

What makes you think Barkley is any different than Ponder? Barkley is a second rounder. Fantasy football? Nice one, I was actually thinking about adding something this team desperately needs another offensive threat. Not another QB or a DT. The reason for the struggle was they were on the field so much because our offense was purely 1 dimensional. AP could only do so much, we were 28th in the league in time of possession. How is it not obvious to you our 1st need is WR? No lets get Barkley and a DT, you know nothing.

[zepman]

It would not suprise me one bit to see the Vikes go all defense with picks #23 and #25.

LB's: Ogletree, Teo, Minter, Brown

S: Elam, Cyprien, Reid

DT: Take your pick...there will be 2-4 they could take here.

CB: Rhodes, Banks, Trufant

A lot depends on how the rest of FA goes but these guys MAY be rated above the receiving class in this draft. All the above players are major needs and would be impact players for the Purple.

[DrJuice1980]

4th round long term starters at WR, have you been hanging around Simpson tonight? Holy cow Zep, what you smoking? You can't be serious. That is not what we need

[YiGGiN4SLoBS]

Is that Clowney guy from south carolina that just destroyed the michigan RB coming out? Thats the only DT i would take over a LB. That guy is a bull in a china shop

[Nick Kuhn]

1st round you take Robert Woods. When healthy he is an NFL starting receiver. He put up pretty solid numbers with a bad ankle this year. He will likely slide in the draft because his season was overshadowed by Marqise Lee (who is probably a top 5 pick next year).

With the other pick you get a DT or LB. Later rounds you address other needs: safety or nickel corner, the missing DT/LB, backup OL, possibly a backup QB, a late round burner WR with return capabilities.

[DrJuice1980]

Clowney has 1 more yr

[zepman]

4th round long term starters at WR, have you been hanging around Simpson tonight? Holy cow Zep, what you smoking? You can't be serious. That is not what we need

Wrong...that's exactly what we need.

[CaptainMusky]

First round picks I see them using one for a receiver and one for DT. LB addressed in later rounds.

If you think we dont need a DT you are obviously not much of a Defensive theorist.

Lack of presence up front exposes the secondary. Williams is near the end of his career and taking up some serious money right now. Hopefully they can restructure him to a lower hit number.

Depending how this Jennings thing plays out, if they were to get him I would possibly drop down in the draft, keeping one of the #1 picks and load up with second rounders. Use the remaining first round pick for DT and pick WR in second round and LB focussing on MLB.

[DrJuice1980]

Zep, name me 5 WRs taken in the 3rd-4th round that have produced in the league, still in the league and I'll list off hundreds that are gone. Come on, you think that gobbling up 3-4th round WRs are going to fill needs? You're crazy man, I like you but you're crazy

[YiGGiN4SLoBS]

First round picks I see them using one for a receiver and one for DT. LB addressed in later rounds.

If you think we dont need a DT you are obviously not much of a Defensive theorist.

Lack of presence up front exposes the secondary. Williams is near the end of his career and taking up some serious money right now. Hopefully they can restructure him to a lower hit number.

Depending how this Jennings thing plays out, if they were to get him I would possibly drop down in the draft, keeping one of the #1 picks and load up with second rounders. Use the remaining first round pick for DT and pick WR in second round and LB focussing on MLB.

A linebacker that can cover, blitz and stop the run is gonna be a lot harder to find then a fat guy in the middle. Our LB play outside of Greenaway was putrid at best last year. Are there any DT that are even worth taking that high? I go STUD MLB that can blitz, cover and stop the run to help shore up the cover 2 we play. I would think we could get a fat guy in the middle later in rds 2 or 3. We dont have any dominators on the dline, but we do have decent depth at the position with C Ballard, WIlliams and a couple others. But maybe im not a "defensive theorist".

[Rick]

I can't believe how everyone on here except me and SLoBs thinks that Speilman was just in it last season. He's had draft input since 06. Just because he got the GM title a year ago doesn't make him the sole decision maker in the draft. Yeah he's got a lot of input but to think others don't have a voice is pretty laughable.

Who really cares who had a voice. At this point it's water over the dam. Fact is Spielman is now the person where the buck stops when it comes to personnel moves. He did well in his first season in that position.

After the 2013 season we will see how his 2012-2013 moves pan out for the Vikes.

[Scott K]

There's NO WAY it would take that much, 4 for 1 all early rounds? Thats huge! No way. At most it would be our 2nd first rounder but most likely 23 and our 2nd round choice. Well worth it for him, nice frame, 6-3, 4.4 40, 37" vert, hands galore. This guy is the pick we NEED! Mark my word he is going to be LEGIT. Not too many come around like him. I'd be content if we didn't pick up a FA WR and got him.

Here is the Draft value chart. It looks like our 23&25th pick is equal to a 10th pick, but within the top 10, the value increases alot per pick. Assuming you can find a team that wants to trade out of the top 10, and is looking for a couple late round first picks, you may be lucky to trade equal values. So if we were lucky, we would find a team to trade their 10th pick, for both our firsts. The problem then lies with, most teams arent going to trade out of the top 10, for equal value, they need to be enticed with more then equal value to convince them to trade. Then also hope that you dont need to move up to say the 5th pick, because then equal value then becomes both of our 1st picks, and our second pick, then you need to add a pot sweatener to the deal to get them to want to trade their pick. There is no way our 25th pick, and our second round pick will get you in the top 10. If so, I sure hope they jump on it!

http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6 Round 7

1 3,000 33 580 65 265 97 112 129 43 161 27 193 14.2

2 2,600 34 560 66 260 98 108 130 42 162 26.6 194 13.8

3 2,200 35 550 67 255 99 104 131 41 163 26.2 195 13.4

4 1,800 36 540 68 250 100 100 132 40 164 25.8 196 13

5 1,700 37 530 69 245 101 96 133 39.5 165 25.4 197 12.6

6 1,600 38 520 70 240 102 92 134 39 166 25 198 12.2

7 1,500 39 510 71 235 103 88 135 38.5 167 24.6 199 11.8

8 1,400 40 500 72 230 104 86 136 38 168 24.2 200 11.4

9 1,350 41 490 73 225 105 84 137 37.5 169 23.8 201 11

10 1,300 42 480 74 220 106 82 138 37 170 23.4 202 10.6

11 1,250 43 470 75 215 107 80 139 36.5 171 23 203 10.2

12 1,200 44 460 76 210 108 78 140 36 172 22.6 204 9.8

13 1,150 45 450 77 205 109 76 141 35.5 173 22.2 205 9.4

14 1,100 46 440 78 200 110 74 142 35 174 21.8 206 9

15 1,050 47 430 79 195 111 72 143 34.5 175 21.4 207 8.6

16 1,000 48 420 80 190 112 70 144 34 176 21 208 8.2

17 950 49 410 81 185 113 68 145 33.5 177 20.6 209 7.8

18 900 50 400 82 180 114 66 146 33 178 20.2 210 7.4

19 875 51 390 83 175 115 64 147 32.6 179 19.8 211 7

20 850 52 380 84 170 116 62 148 32.2 180 19.4 212 6.6

21 800 53 370 85 165 117 60 149 31.8 181 19 213 6.2

22 780 54 360 86 160 118 58 150 31.4 182 18.6 214 5.8

23 760 55 350 87 155 119 56 151 31 183 18.2 215 5.4

24 740 56 340 88 150 120 54 152 30.6 184 17.8 216 5

25 720 57 330 89 145 121 52 153 30.2 185 17.4 217 4.6

26 700 58 320 90 140 122 50 154 29.8 186 17 218 4.2

27 680 59 310 91 136 123 49 155 29.4 187 16.6 219 3.8

28 660 60 300 92 132 124 48 156 29 188 16.2 220 3.4

29 640 61 292 93 128 125 47 157 28.6 189 15.8 221 3

30 620 62 284 94 124 126 46 158 28.2 190 15.4 222 2.6

31 600 63 276 95 120 127 45 159 27.8 191 15 223 2.3

32 590 64 270 96 116 128 44 160 27.4 192 14.6 224 2

[CaptainMusky]

Are there any DT that are even worth taking that high? I go STUD MLB that can blitz, cover and stop the run to help shore up the cover 2 we play. I would think we could get a fat guy in the middle later in rds 2 or 3. We dont have any dominators on the dline, but we do have decent depth at the position with C Ballard, WIlliams and a couple others. But maybe im not a "defensive theorist".

There are a couple 1st round caliber DT in the draft and several of the mock drafts actually have the vikes picking one with the #23 pick. This was of course before they had the #25 pick.

Agreed on the LB play, BUT, countless times you can get quality LB in the 2nd round. I dont think there is anyone I would want to spend a 1st round pick on this year, but I guess since we have two picks, its a possibility.

I dont think that Greenway is all that great. He doesnt cover well, but he is a sure-tackler. Too bad EJ lost his edge, got hurt. He was a decent "in space" LB that we sorely miss right now. Brinkley is not the guy either, but IMO he was the least bad option out of Erin Henderson and Greenway.

[Scott K]

Quote:

Chiefs released QB Matt Cassel.

The six-year, $63 million deal former GM Scott Pioli gave Cassel in 2009 proved disastrous. In 47 starts for the Chiefs, he went 19-28 while turning the ball over 57 times. New coach Andy Reid will move forward with Alex Smith and Chase Daniel, while the Vikings are widely expected to pursue Cassel. The Patriots could also show interest, putting the wheels in motion for a Ryan Mallett trade to the Browns. Cassel and Ryan Fitzpatrick are the top-two quarterbacks on the market right now.

Kevin Kolb will probably be next. I guess I wouldnt mind either pushing Ponder from the side lines this year.

[DrJuice1980]

We need to get targets to throw to first and if we dont acuire WRs I was thinking that Fitzpatrick would be a great pick up. Hes use to throwing at garbage.

[MUSKY18]

We need to get targets to throw to first and if we dont acuire WRs I was thinking that Fitzpatrick would be a great pick up. Hes use to throwing at garbage.

+1 I like Fitzpatrick better than any of the other QB's out there

[BuckSutherland]

Slobs,

With the Tampa 2 that we play we barely ever blitz. WE almost always only use the front 4 to get pressure on the QB. I agree our LBs stink. But using the scheme we are using a DT is way more important.

There is an old saying,

"The closer you are to the ball the more valuable you are to your team"

A DT can disrupt EVERY single play. A LB or a CB or a Safety cant. Remember John Randle??

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A linebacker that can cover, blitz and stop the run is gonna be a lot harder to find then a fat guy in the middle. Our LB play outside of Greenaway was putrid at best last year. Are there any DT that are even worth taking that high? I go STUD MLB that can blitz, cover and stop the run to help shore up the cover 2 we play. I would think we could get a fat guy in the middle later in rds 2 or 3. We dont have any dominators on the dline, but we do have decent depth at the position with C Ballard, WIlliams and a couple others. But maybe im not a "defensive theorist".

And Juice I dont care who the WR are if the QB is such a pansy that he cant get the ball there we need to take something else.

Maybe Marquise Lee and Robert Woods were so good cause of who they have throwing to them. He knows how to run a pro style offense, could be reunited with Kalil, and would have been top ten last year but decided to stay in school. He has a strong arm, would have a great running game here, but most importantly he cant be any worse than what we have.

[schmitty3]

We need to take a good look at Arthur Brown. He would fit perfectly for our Tampa 2, and should still be available come our picks. Erin Henderson is NOT a starting LB.