Why keep baiting illegal for deer? Read this article!

[Musky Buck]

Maybe just maybe I could start a new career, from bow opener to near end of muzzy I could start Musky's bait service. I'll gps with you where you want your piles, buy corn or whatever you want to place there and bill you later. I'll keep it fresh and have a gravity box and hitch set up, then those of you won't have to run every weekend to freshen the dump and I'll wear scent-lok or whatever you want from my end, it's too far for many to drive so is there a future in it? Be pretty seasonal work. I would also text all land owners when I go in and when I'm out. My ad would say don't let the batteries fail you on a timer set bait dumper, don't let the trough freeze shut on you, call Musky's deer bait service, providing quality bait since 2012, corn,sunflower,potatoes, pancakes, you name it, I'll dump it. 3 paid piles you get the 4th pile Free ! Call 24/7 Musky and the 1st 100 people signed up can win a free shoulder mount for nicest baited buck of the year ! I'm ready.

[Gordie]

Maybe just maybe I could start a new career, from bow opener to near end of muzzy I could start Musky's bait service. I'll gps with you where you want your piles, buy corn or whatever you want to place there and bill you later. I'll keep it fresh and have a gravity box and hitch set up, then those of you won't have to run every weekend to freshen the dump and I'll wear scent-lok or whatever you want from my end, it's too far for many to drive so is there a future in it? Be pretty seasonal work. I would also text all land owners when I go in and when I'm out. My ad would say don't let the batteries fail you on a timer set bait dumper, don't let the trough freeze shut on you, call Musky's deer bait service, providing quality bait since 2012, corn,sunflower,potatoes, pancakes, you name it, I'll dump it. 3 paid piles you get the 4th pile Free ! Call 24/7 Musky and the 1st 100 people signed up can win a free shoulder mount for nicest baited buck of the year ! I'm ready.

Are you selling "Bucktails"

[Gordie]

Dave I think everyone knows they are posting their own opinion on the issue but thanks for continuing to point that out for us.

Now if you can come up with an argument why we should bait please post it here. If you can convince most of the guys on this site, the legislature, and some DNR people you might just get this law overturned. If not I would hope you could just let it go.

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[killerelement]

ya, i guess i will just keep baiting at the grander scale,, split my 10 acre alfalfa up and plant 5 of it in corn or some soybeans.. Who's got time to feed them by hand!!

until food plots are considered baiting I have no dog in this fight. (which I think it is ,, just at a larger scale) <<< why else is it there? hmm

[NoWiser]

Maybe just maybe I could start a new career, from bow opener to near end of muzzy I could start Musky's bait service. I'll gps with you where you want your piles, buy corn or whatever you want to place there and bill you later. I'll keep it fresh and have a gravity box and hitch set up, then those of you won't have to run every weekend to freshen the dump and I'll wear scent-lok or whatever you want from my end, it's too far for many to drive so is there a future in it? Be pretty seasonal work. I would also text all land owners when I go in and when I'm out. My ad would say don't let the batteries fail you on a timer set bait dumper, don't let the trough freeze shut on you, call Musky's deer bait service, providing quality bait since 2012, corn,sunflower,potatoes, pancakes, you name it, I'll dump it. 3 paid piles you get the 4th pile Free ! Call 24/7 Musky and the 1st 100 people signed up can win a free shoulder mount for nicest baited buck of the year ! I'm ready.

Musky,

Can I request that right after you dump my bait piles, I give you a little dinner bell to ring? That way at shooting light on opener I can ring the same bell and bring the deer to me. No need to sit and freeze for an hour when I can shoot my trophy buck right off the bat. Do you provide services for tagging, gutting, and dragging deer too? That way I could just jump on the wheeler and get back to camp sooner to brag about my big buck and how good of a hunter I am.

[Big Dave2]

Dave I think everyone knows they are posting their own opinion on the issue but thanks for continuing to point that out for us.

Now if you can come up with an argument why we should bait please post it here. If you can convince most of the guys on this site, the legislature, and some DNR people you might just get this law overturned. If not I would hope you could just let it go.

Hey, I was more than happy to let this issue die but every time I log in to this forum there are more and more posts and questions directed at me. If you would ignore me I will go away but you and others don't seem to be able to do that. Who is beating the dead horse here?

I should not have to come up with an arguement as to why something should be legal, this is not communist China here. The burden of proof is on those who want to make something illegal. If I said I thought yellow houses should be outlawed you would give me the same line and ask me why on earth I would want to make painting your house yellow illegal. I would think that I would have to come up with a better arguement than "I don't like the color yellow."

[Big Dave2]

Prove this statement based on facts vs assumptions.

I can't prove the statement with fact anymore than you can prove it is wrong with facts but knowing what I know about people feeding deer in my area, I know that almost everyone I know who has access to deer feed them to hold them in their area for viewing.

This number is large and the number of days a year that they feed is large where baiters would only feed deer for a month or so plus there are only so many deer hunters in the state.

Maybe I am wrong but IMO it is just common sense.

[Big Dave2]

It would turn into a sport for people that could afford to bait and typically that is not the youth of our society.

As apposed to a sport for people that can afford to own land and grow food plots?

[Basseyes]

I can't prove the statement with fact anymore than you can prove it is wrong with facts but knowing what I know about people feeding deer in my area, I know that almost everyone I know who has access to deer feed them to hold them in their area for viewing.

This number is large and the number of days a year that they feed is large where baiters would only feed deer for a month or so plus there are only so many deer hunters in the state.

Maybe I am wrong but IMO it is just common sense.

It would be 3 1/2 months worth of baiting. The tonnage of bait used, would be a huge unknown, compared to recreational feeding.

I am confused if you think baiting should be legal, because feeding is legal? Or if feeding should be illegal, because baiting is illegal?

Lots of opinions on the subject. I don't disagree, most of it is your opinion vs my opinion. Butts and elbows, most of us have at least one of the three. Just because the majority accepts it, doesn't make it right or wrong. But like it or not, it is currently illegal. That in itself, is not going to get over turned without a mountain of time and cash by a dedicated group. The majority of baiters are not that dedicated of a group in Minnesota but that's just my opinion.

The fact is, there are many differences with all the legalities, between food plots and bait. The legalities would be so wide spread, that it would be a regulatory nightmare for the DNR and CO's, if food plots were made illegal. With far reaching ramifications, that have little to do with the hunter who has an acre or two of clover.

Y can't I put the stick down?

[Wanderer]

*sniff* What's that smell?

It's a democracy, take a vote:

All in favor of being proud of shooting a deer at a bait site say "AYE".

Those opposed, say "NAY"

Wanderer: NAY!

[jay83196]

Exactly its illegal so we shouldn't do it but a lot of laws are illegal and broken, my point isn't we should break this law, my point is we shouldn't do it but saying its unethical, spreading disease, or lazy isn't right either. Do you call someone speeding, or that makes an illegal u turn names...or are you one of the people that breaks certain laws, but that's ok cuz some people don't like those laws! We all break them and just because its a law doesn't mean its right, just illegal.

Don't judge!

[Big Dave2]

It would be 3 1/2 months worth of baiting. The tonnage of bait used, would be a huge unknown, compared to recreational feeding.

I am confused if you think baiting should be legal, because feeding is legal? Or if feeding should be illegal, because baiting is illegal?

Lots of opinions on the subject. I don't disagree, most of it is your opinion vs my opinion. Butts and elbows, most of us have at least one of the three. Just because the majority accepts it, doesn't make it right or wrong. But like it or not, it is currently illegal. That in itself, is not going to get over turned without a mountain of time and cash by a dedicated group. The majority of baiters are not that dedicated of a group in Minnesota but that's just my opinion.

The fact is, there are many differences with all the legalities, between food plots and bait. The legalities would be so wide spread, that it would be a regulatory nightmare for the DNR and CO's, if food plots were made illegal. With far reaching ramifications, that have little to do with the hunter who has an acre or two of clover.

Y can't I put the stick down?

I certainly respect your opinion to oppose baiting and I am not trying to overturn any laws here. I'm just giving food for thought on an outdoor related message board. If you don't like my ideas you are free to oppose them or not read them, it is your choice. No where in any of these threads have I stated that I am taking this issue all the way to the supreme coart or have I asked you or others to sign a petition. Take it for what it is, my opinion is different than your opinion but we are both entitled to our opinions.

I do appreciate your more civil discussion than most on this issue though!

[Big Dave2]

*sniff* What's that smell?

It's a democracy, take a vote:

All in favor of being proud of shooting a deer at a bait site say "AYE".

Those opposed, say "NAY"

Wanderer: NAY!

I hope you can still smell democracy some day when the anti's rise up and try to make hunting illegal. You do realize that the majority of people don't hunt and don't care if you hold the right to hunt? Someday when the majority of people hold the opinion that hunting should be outlawed will you just accept it as the majority speaking and go quietly into that goodnight or will you complain on this board just like me?

[Wanderer]

Science proves harvest is necessary and the harvesters pay a lot of money to do so. I doubt the anti's will over rule the bulk of financial income for wildlife management in my time. I COULD BE WRONG but I doubt it.

My post was more tongue in cheek about a rotting dead horse but I thought it would be interesting to get the point and see how many sportsmen would be proud of shooting their deer over bait vs wading through all the usual rhetoric.

Carry on...

[Big Dave2]

Science proves harvest is necessary and the harvesters pay a lot of money to do so. I doubt the anti's will over rule the bulk of financial income for wildlife management in my time. I COULD BE WRONG but I doubt it.

So now SCIENCE has something to do with it? I thought it was all about ethics and majority ruling?

[Big Dave2]

I thought it would be interesting to get the point and see how many sportsmen would be proud of shooting their deer over bait

Just because it is legal doesn't mean you have to do it. If you have to be proud of your kill then by all means don't use bait, climb a tree and use a spear for all I care.

There are lots of things that are legal that I don't care to do. It is legal to gamble at Mystic Lake but I don't care to do it so I don't.

I also don't think it should be illegal for me NOT to wear a seatbelt but that doesn't mean I want to drive around without my seatbelt.

[Gordie]

I hope this topic follows suit with the last one

[Bear55]

Hey, I was more than happy to let this issue die

[hockeybc69]

Here is a dead horse some of you can beat on since the other dead horses are nothing but a pile of rubbish now....

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[lakevet]

The "baiting horse" keeps getting up and trying to run again in the legislature! You must have a picture of a different horse

lakevet

[Big Dave2]

In the numerous baiting threads in the past few weeks there have been plenty of compelling arguments to keep baiting illegal. If you choose to ignore those arguments/reasons I don't think I will be much help.

The problem is that none of those reasons are rooted in fact only opinions.

[hockeybc69]

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The problem is that none of those reasons are rooted in fact only opinions.

Dont forget all the assumptions too.

[Bear55]

The problem is that none of those reasons are rooted in fact only opinions.

Can you supply me with any facts why robbing a bank should be illegal? Morally and ethically it is wrong to steal but where are the facts to support it being a law? I need facts Dave!

Where are your facts to support legal baiting? Or does this fall back on yellow houses and communist China opinion stuff?

Now if you do want facts there is plenty of scientific evidance that disease transmission is possible, I will agree that there are plenty of other ways that it can happen and thet the overall impact of baiting may be very much overblown but you can't deney the fact that disease tranmission is spread at bait piles. We could also look at studies that show how natural deer movement is altered by baiting. Now you could say it is an opinion that altering deer movement is a bad thing but it is a fact that natural deer movement is altered by baiting. Now it may be your opinion that baiting should be legal in MN but it is a fact that the great majority of hunters on this site (and potentiall the entire state) don't want to see legal baiting for one reason or another.

Sorry guys, I didn't play in the other baiting threads so I am here to finish off the horse.

[Muskie456]

As apposed to a sport for people that can afford to own land and grow food plots?

[Basseyes]

The deer herd is not just regulated for or by science. Hunter satisfaction has a big part in it. If it was just about science we'd be more concerned with browse lines, forest health and over populated deer herds in some areas. The DNR also has to takes into account hunter satisfaction. That is not scientifically based but sociology based.

Non hunters understand more than we give them credit for.

Comparing baiting, to a non hunting majority taking our hunting rights away, is a stretch at best. The amendment a few years back was voted in by a majority of non hunters, not hunters. This is more of a majority, within the ranks of hunters, not liking baiting. Simple as that.