A huge disappointment!!

[Todd Caswell]

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well, do your fellow hunters a favor and keep shooting all the 160" 10 pointers you want we'd be happy for you, just don't shoot the forkhorn, let him grow up...

Sorry man I can't do that 160's are far and few between and like I said they all taste the same BUT I gotta take what is given to me, untill the state changes the regs ( good luck) most spikes and forkes will be taken during the first 7 days of the season, just how it is. The Horn Soup club is a Minority

[hockeybc69]

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The Horn Soup club is a Minority

If thats the case, how did APR get enacted in zone 3?

I think we are on the cusp of more changes in other areas.

[Todd Caswell]

Pretty small area

[hockeybc69]

Small area maybe, but obviously the percentage of people interested in a change was enough to make it happen down there.

The rest of the state wasnt approached for this type of change.... yet. We shall see how it moves along. I think there is a surprising number of supporters out there. Reading posts on this site alone, it sure seems close to 50/50 on responses to changes of some sort.

[Rippinlip]

I hear alot of QDM (Quality DEER Management), I believe.

How come the only restriction is on Bucks?

Do we not want to allow the proper Doe's in the herd to be the bering of off spring?

Funny how that is never a topic of concern, once again the Antlers rule!

We do this in fishing. Hoping to allow the better genetic females to be released( I know we cannot release dead deer), to spawn out and have babies.

I know its a rough analogy, but on the same base I believe.

As far as the initial topic, that stinks!

I have always been a hunter that believes to only harvest what you can consume!

I do not care about attitude, feelings or whatever!

You want to harvest a deer, you better be willing to consume the deer.

[hockeybc69]

People just dont know what QDMA stands for. They have a forum too, and its the best one anywhere in the country for information regarding anything deer(and wildlife in general) related.

QDMA

The QDMA promotes:

•Safe and ethical hunting.

•Adherence to wildlife and trespass laws.

•Adequate harvests of adult does.

•Restraint in harvesting young bucks.

•Hunter involvement in education and management.

•Cooperation with wildlife biologists and enforcement officers.

•Education of hunters and non-hunters toward a better understanding of wildlife management.

•Stewardship and appreciation of all wildlife.

[trophychaser]

I enjoy reading these QDM threads and rants on bordering land owners NOT following the QDM plan. I hear it at work from two different groups every year " We spend all this money on food plots, minerals Yada yada yada and then the neibor has the balls to shoot a spike that WE raised" I have voiced my opinion so they don't ask any more. These same guys complain that they fill ALL there tags and don't use the meat, in reality they probably don't know if they use all the meat or not, most likely speculation based on assumtions and anger. MY responce is " Buy out your neibore , put up a fence what ever it takes to grow big bucks but please don't tell them what they can and can not shoot.

Wow! So if you pull up to a shed with 13 deer hanging and your talking to the guy that is stuck with all meat and he's complaining about nobody wanting any deer. Then he goes on to say he has no idea what they are going to do with all the meat.

Then on the 2nd weekend some of the hunting party is still hunting to fill that last tag!

So I guess if hearing something from the horse's mouth is speculation then lock me up I'm guilty

[Todd Caswell]

Just saying MOST of the time these comments come from a pizzed off neibore. If that is what you heard then I agree they shoulod not have taken all those deer. I personally have taken three deer one year and consummed all of it, between sausage, burger, jerky and steaks, we didn't eat much beef that year, so one deer really isn't that much meat to use up, if you enjoy eating venny.

[not_nuf_time]

All areas of the state are different, in numbers of total deer and certainly numbers of bucks. In the area we hunt the bucks don't prance by all day long with 6's, 8's and 10 pts. like I read throughout these post. To me, QDM is letting the does live,(as in doe permits) like the old days to produce a couple more deer for next year and hopefully increase the odds at seeing more deer and possibly more bucks down the line. Luckily, I have a young son that hunts and it doesn't matter to him right now what kind of deer he shoots and he's proud of it. So we get some venison for the table. Although I'ld like to shoot a big buck like most guys, I still have a harder time shooting a doe than a spike or a fork horn. What bugs me is the arrogance thats crept in to hunting, i.e. dont ask me to lie about your fork horn. We all know the better hunter gets the biggest deer;)

[hockeybc69]

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To me, QDM is letting the does live,(as in doe permits) like the old days to produce a couple more deer for next year and hopefully increase the odds at seeing more deer and possibly more bucks down the line.

Ok, read what I posted a couple replies above your post again....

QDMA

The QDMA promotes:

•Safe and ethical hunting.

•Adherence to wildlife and trespass laws.

•Adequate harvests of adult does.

•Restraint in harvesting young bucks.

•Hunter involvement in education and management.

•Cooperation with wildlife biologists and enforcement officers.

•Education of hunters and non-hunters toward a better understanding of wildlife management.

•Stewardship and appreciation of all wildlife.

[McGurk]

My Brother in Law hunts on a piece of property with about 15 other guys, with food plots, grooming, and extreme "QDM" practices. No doe can be shot without paying a $100 penalty to the "pot." You cannot shoot a smaller buck than your best previous FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. No one wants the meat, and they don't shoot deer. My BIL is 30, and shot a decent 11 a couple of years ago. He cannot shoot less than a 12.

Now here's the rub, he and my sister actually want deer for the freezer, but can't do so on the property that he pays to be a member of. Ridiculous. That is not QDM, it is pure trophy porn. A little too stringent, if you ask me, but I don't hunt there but I don't pay to hunt, either. Their property, their rules, I guess.

[not_nuf_time]

I'm not saying QDM isn't a good idea, if it fits your area which may have an over abundance of deer. What I'm worried about is, like everything else we seem to do, we carry this to the extreme and start legislating all over the state that all we can shoot are big bucks(zone 3). So I pay my $1700.00 in recreation property taxes yearly, plant some food plots, cut and maintain property, drive to and stay in the area spending dollars, say $3,000.00 throughout the year. Now your gonna tell me I can only shoot a big buck, I may as well sell my property. Oh also, do you think the dnr would continue to grow in numbers of liscence sold, doubtful. Again, we just shouldn't be told what to or not to shoot. Trophies are great but I still like a little venison.

As far as groups that shoot all the deer that they legally can, and don't use it or don't want to take any home, thats not right and is just a different kind of wanton waste.

[BARNEZ]

I think you should not hunt if you don't like or want the meat. It just tells me that people hunt, just to kill something or put a rack on their wall, because they themselves lack something.

[dogs]

"I still have a harder time shooting a doe than a spike or a fork horn." I with you there. My feelings are its those big does that teach the bucks to be how to age wisely. And they will throw twins or triplets possibly, who in turn 1/2 will be bucks the other 1/2 does that throw more bucks. I have seen 3/12 year old fork horns, and feel they are more common than people think in some areas.

[Neighbor_guy]

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If thats the case, how did APR get enacted in zone 3?

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Lobbyist money. Whitetails unlimited, Bluffland Whitetails and Minnesota Deer Hunters Association to name a few. But mostly $$$BIG MONEY$$$$ From a small minority of whiners who were tired of seeing the deer in WI and IA, that people pay huge amounts of money to hunt, and looking for a payday themselves. Do a search of any "outfitter" in bluff country and you will see $3-5,000.00 for a hunt with some of these people. They can not demand that kind of money without a stock of Mature deer. So they push and push to legislate that people cant shoot small deer. Thus... big deer or no deer at all.

But in the state were nothing is allowed and big brother can legislate whatever they want, $$$$MONEY$$$$$$ talks. The "big buck lobby" talked louder and had deeper pockets than the "we like to eat venison lobby".

These groups go to the meetings and make it look as though everyone is in favor. Not enough everyday hunters went, so the DNR went with the loudest voice.

[candiru]

QDM is just sugar coated trophy hunting repackaged to sound good.

[not_nuf_time]

Squeeky wheel gets the grease, same old same old. Speak in forked tongue, they say we need more hunters, yet over time the lack of being able to shoot deer to eat or for the recreational sportman and kids we will definitly lose numbers of hunters, if these groups keep pushing for more trophy harvest only. Great concept minority numbers scream and yell loudest.

[not_nuf_time]

As sportsman, most of us figure the dnr is looking at the best interest for the majority of outdoorsman. Maybe I'm wrong? Thats disappointing.

[hockeybc69]

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Not enough everyday hunters went, so the DNR went with the loudest voice.

Excuses excuses.

Gotta run. Theres a buck running around somewhere on the farm that meets my criteria. He needs to be harvested tomorrow with the ole smokepole.

Good luck everyone!

[heat checker]

Not sure where to post this as there are several threads going that turned into the anti vs pro on antlers. I don't hunt zone 3 and probably never will. A few questions I have are:

If deer are that plentiful, why are some folks insistent that they need to shoot small bucks? No doe tag is needed, in fact you can shoot up to 5 of them right? So it seems that NO ONE should be without opportunity to get some deer meat. The only ones that might consistently eat their tags are the trophy hunters. Or is it the fact that young bucks lookin for love are the easiest targets in the woods at that time, and everyone just has to shoot a deer? I guess I don't understand if the population is that high, how it would affect the success rate of hunters that want meat.

Why do people not want to be told what they can or cannot shoot? We already are. Whats the dif if they change it up a little bit? The last 2 years the DNR has said in the area I hunt, I,nor my teanage son can shoot a doe. While I don't agree with the open slaughter of young bucks, I realize in order to build the population back up, we need to have more fawns dropped. The end of the world,no,we had just as much fun and got a little veni for the freezer.

Speaking of veni for the freezer, I've got to call Bull---- on the people that say they NEED it for table fair. You'd get alot more meat by working 2 full days for a hog farmer and getting a 300lb hog in payment.

My views on party hunting are simple. If population needs to be brought down, allow it,more deer will be harvested. If population needs to be built up, don't allow it.

[nonteepical]

Lobbyist money. Whitetails unlimited, Bluffland Whitetails and Minnesota Deer Hunters Association to name a few. But mostly $$$BIG MONEY$$$$ From a small minority of whiners who were tired of seeing the deer in WI and IA, that people pay huge amounts of money to hunt, and looking for a payday themselves. Do a search of any "outfitter" in bluff country and you will see $3-5,000.00 for a hunt with some of these people. They can not demand that kind of money without a stock of Mature deer. So they push and push to legislate that people cant shoot small deer. Thus... big deer or no deer at all.

But in the state were nothing is allowed and big brother can legislate whatever they want, $$$$MONEY$$$$$$ talks. The "big buck lobby" talked louder and had deeper pockets than the "we like to eat venison lobby".

These groups go to the meetings and make it look as though everyone is in favor. Not enough everyday hunters went, so the DNR went with the loudest voice.

[SFC]

Mature deer now know where property lines start and end, deer just keep getting smarter all the time.

[Jameson]

...I've got to call Bull---- on the people that say they NEED it for table fair. You'd get alot more meat by working 2 full days for a hog farmer and getting a 300lb hog in payment....

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