Jeter HBP faking...

[dfv87]

I have had a few days to listen to the hype regarding the "gamesmanship" displayed by D Jeter when he faked getting hit by the pitch. Originally when i heard the story I thought... "he is just playing smart." But then i saw the theater that it actually was, with the pain on his face and trotting the trainer out there etc. And I changed my mind to "what a lying P.O.S." I mean I understand the argument of he is just playing smart but that would be something a little leager would pull.

I used to be a big fan of DJ but really now I think he is just another phony trying to keep his career alive. He is having a down year and he is resorting to this [PoorWordUsage]... seems to me to be the same as A Roid or Andy Petitte using HGH to "heal quicker". "Catchers frame pitches every pitch..." to me if he wouldn't have taken it to the extreme theater he did. I would have let it go, but it looked like a guy who "knew" he could get away with it and did. And he took unfair advantage, he lied and cheated.

It just seems funny to me that baseball purists would condone this type of play or stealing signs or doctoring a baseball/bats but if a guy took a drug to get stronger... which still doesn't mean you can hit or play better... then he is soiling the game.

The old baseball adage was "if you aint cheatin you aint tryin..."

Gaylord Perry gloated that he cheated "Doctoring baseballs" in his induction to the HOF!

Ty Cobb was a racist and tried to hurt opposing players!

They are held with reverence as great players.

Performance Enhancing Drugs didn't suddenly make somebody able to hit or pitch, they had the ability. They were just trying to win... Still Cheating BTW but so is this other stuff.

Not sure where my rant is going but I am not sure about this anymore either. I coach kids and try to tell them to play "smart" and take advantage of situations but even then there is a line not to cross. To play physical but not dirty... to be aggressive but not "cheap"... to play smart but not cheat...

Jeter went over the line IMO. He cheated.

Opinions?

[Dylan33]

I see both sides of the arguement. Every day you see outfielders dive to catch a ball, and when they either short hop it or trap it, they raise their glove up to show the umpires that they caught the ball. Sometimes they fool the ump and a short hop is called a catch. Is that cheating?

is that really any better than what Jeter did?

dfv- I am on the opposite side as you...at first I was mad and called him a cheater, but the more I think about it, the more I say what's the big deal? Would ANY other player in the league done it differently? He did what he could to help his team win

[dfv87]

I am ok if he tries to sell being hit... but to hop around and get the trainer involved? Cmon that is more than just selling a play that is bush league cheating or mahattan theater...

I can see most players wanting to get on base legally without faking. Sure there are players that would do that... but to say would anybody have integrity and not do that... yes I believe there are players that would do it differently.

and again another reason to have INSTANT REPLAY in baseball. Catch a guy lying like that and others wouldn't try it next time.

[Getanet]

The theatrics were over the top, but you can't compare one at-bat to someone who takes a banned substance to improve their performance over an entire season or long stretch of games.

Still, it was cheap on Jeter's part. Shaking your hand or even taking a few steps toward first base like you definitely got hit is one thing. That's part of baseball. But calling the trainer out and everything else was uncalled for. At the same time, what's he supposed to do once the ump told him to take his base - tell the ump it didn't hit him? Should an O-lineman in football attempt to have a long play called back by informing the Ref he held a guy?

At the end of the day fibbing is part of baseball and most sports. First baseman routinely pull their foot from the bag on a close play to make it appear the throw beat the runner by another 1/2 step. Short stops and second baseman are rarely touching second base when they turn a double play.

This was an isolated incident for Jeter that won't tarnish his reputation. It will be forgotten before next season, if not next week.

[Scott K]

Cheap, and classless, yes! I dont have a problem with it though, he was trying to get on base, thats his job!

[bobbymalone]

AND THE ACADEMY AWARD GOES TO.....

[B. Amish]

it's part of the game, but jeter's still a pud.

[zepman]

I loved it...it's not cheating IMO. That would be like saying every time an o-lineman grabs a jersey and holds a d-lineman that's cheating too. Or a basketball player flops or takes a dive while driving to the basket...get real.

The umpire has the final call and last time I checked...the reaction of the player has no bearing on his call. I've seen it go the other way lot's of times.

[Born2Fish]

It was pretty pathetic on his part to jump around and act like he actually got hit. Plus to have the trainer come out and look at your hand/arm after you did NOT get hit. Kinda a joke. When they slow it down you can see Jeter look at the ump and wait for the call. I think he is going to win an ESPY! I hate the Yankees, and they lost anyway.

[PierBridge]

The media just over hypes everything now a days.

Derek Jeter rocks!

[Dylan33]

Derek Jeter rocks!

not this year

.262 average

10 HRs

61 RBI

I dislike Jeter with a passion....or maybe I'm just jealous because he is dating Minka Kelly

[PierBridge]

Definitely an off year and he is on the tail end of his career for sure.

Doesn't change the fact that just about any player including Cuddyer and Kubel who were asked if they would do what Jeter did and the answer was yes!

[thatoneguy]

Doesn't change the fact that just about any player including Cuddyer and Kubel who were asked if they would do what Jeter did and the answer was yes!

And Lord knows if Cuddyer said it, then by golly Pier is gonna be on board

I kid, I kid.

His job is to get on base, and he didn't break any rules to do it. Good for him - although he probably could have sold it without turning the at-bat into one of those Spanish soap operas with his gawdawful overacting. You'da thought that he took a round from a .308 in the arm the way he acted.

Pansy.

[Big Dave2]

He probably shouldn't have called the trainer out and stalled the game because that gave the other team time to look at a replay and argue the call. He did however do the right thing by selling the hit, he just sold it a little too hard.

For anyone who thinks that is cheating I want to see you make a post here declaring Joe Mauer as a cheater the next time he moves a ball into the strike zone and tries to sell it as a strike by framing it. We all know every catcher in any league does this multiple times a game.

[blue_healer_guy]

I think the thing missing in this debate, the next batter hit a 2 run homer I believe. Thats beatiful baseball, pennant race, doing everything you can do to win a ballgame. Dont matter if he's a yank, one of the all time best. Cheating, not.

[Mudcutter]

one ab. WHATEVER. Derek Jeter, becasue he plays for the hated Yanks,, is mostly hated by most baseball fans. I'am not a Bronx fan,, but when you look at the #'s,,, gamer hitting, championships,,, the best SS of all time is a close call between Honus Wagner and Jeter. I challenge anyone to come up with a SS better than those two. Ripken,, not even close. DJ will pass Ripken in hits in the next 2 years, plus hits for a much higher avg. Honus Wagner, Jeter,,, ................... then Ripken.

A serious (non biased) baseball mind can say Jeter is in the top 5 players in the last 25 years.

I don't care about one AB--- Jeter has been fun to watch since the 1996.

[SledNeck]

Jeter did what youre supposed to do.

No different than pulling your foot early off a bag to sell it to the umpires

Baseball is a game with calls determined by human judgement, thats part of the beauty of the game which is pretty much unchanged for a century

[mrklean]

jeter is a bum

[Big Dave2]

jeter is a bum

I'm pretty sure Jeter thinks the same of you.

[mainbutter]

Lying is wrong and should not be condoned.. and it's just plain childish. Grow up.