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Trading or releasing T-Jack by Friday?

FISHINGURU

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james_walleye Grand Master

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I left this thread behind long ago. Your dealing with a guy in fishin58 who predicted Flacco and Ryan would be flops this year. Its to bad i couldnt have gotten him into our fantasy league, that would have been an easy $150.

Say what you want about Favres game fishin. Everything on offense in that game came off his arm against a very good defense. I'll take what he brought to that game against a good defense that locked up AP outside of 1 play rather than seeing dumpoffs and hesitation on every play. Favre was not brought in to beat the lions and browns, he was brought in to give the vikings a chance in just the situation we saw the other day. With 1:29 to go the vikings won a game that we would not have won with junkson. And enough of the "if jackson was in we would have won going away" talk by some of you people. Its more likely that jackson puts up his normal 150 yards complete with all kinds of hesitation and this team scores 6 points the whole game. Fishin likes to bring up the 06' game in which jackson was the QB and the team won 27-7 against the niners. He will forget to tell you that Chester Taylor had an 84 yard TD run and that Kevin Williams picked off the first pass of the game for a TD, and that the 49ers outgained the vikings in offense. He won't tell you that the vikings picked off 2 total passes and recovered 3 fumbles and that Jackson was purely a spectator on the field to everything that made a difference in that game.

I want to also clarify something and im sure if pier and LMITOUT think real hard they will remember. A year ago i was arguing for jackson to be the QB. I thought he needed a shot. No one remembers the great preseason he had last year?? Well he did (and that shows exactly how little preseason is relevant when pier and fishin58 bring up this past preseason) and i was all pumped about that and was hoping it would carry over to the regular season. Whether he should have been yanked or not after 2 games he was. Gus didnt light it up but it brought the spark that was needed. And when Jackson got back in later in the season i was happy to see him get yet another shot,and i hoped that he had learned. And it was good to see some solid games put up. But then i sat in the dome during the eagles game and everything was put in focus. So this is what happens when we arent playing an 0-16 team, or a cardinal team who had absolutely mailed in the remaining regular season, or a giant team who played its 2nd and 3rd stringers on both sides of the ball. This is what happens when it really counts against a team like the eagles.

It was at this point when it became clear to me that the 10 wins last year were inspite of the QB position. With all the talent on the field without a QB you could put up 10 wins. And it was also clear that this was as far as the situation could take the vikings. You can't win 2 or 3 playoff games and a superbowl with a liability at QB. Sure Jackson has improved, but that doesnt say much, look where he started, any QB will improve if given 19 starts. But he is no where near the level of QB this team needs to make it to the ultimate prize. That is why they brought in Sage, and that is why they kept calling Brett. The organization knew they had to go in another direction to give the team the best chance at the prize. And with the talent pretty much assembled beyond this season, i highly doubt they will go into next year and HOPE that Jackson has learned enough. You don't gamble away the talent assembled on this team like that in the NFL. I don't know what the answer is beyond this season, but Jackson has not shown that he will be the caliber QB this team needs to be a superbowl contender anytime in the near future. Improved? Yes. To the level of QB this team needs to be a superbowl contender? Sorry, no signs he has made anywhere near that jump and as long as this team is this talented i don't think you'll see the organization gamble anymore time away to see if he will get there.

So you can call me a "hater", i don't care. Not long ago i was a backer. I just see no sign of the guy playing at a level to lead this team to multiple playoff victories against that caliber of competition anytime in the near future.

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So you are just confirming you are a fairweather fan. That is something to hang your hat on!! I like him, I dont like him, I like him.... yada yada yada.

I am still sticking to my guns that Ryan or Flacco will have a down year. I might have to eat a little crow on that, but we will have to see!!

On a seperate note, the guy that tried to make Sanchez his White stallion for comparisons, how did he look yesterday?? I am not saying that Sanchez wont be good Qb, but a guy tried to say that after 3 games he is now a bonified NFL starter.

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you know how I feel leech!!! nothing can really be said until Bert get hurt or fatigued.... but the fact of the matter is that TJ IS number 2 and that Sage is 3. People just wont admit that. So the subject is dead, unless TJ gets in.

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james_walleye Grand Master

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So you are just confirming you are a fairweather fan. That is something to hang your hat on!! I like him, I dont like him, I like him.... yada yada yada.

I am still sticking to my guns that Ryan or Flacco will have a down year. I might have to eat a little crow on that, but we will have to see!!

On a seperate note, the guy that tried to make Sanchez his White stallion for comparisons, how did he look yesterday?? I am not saying that Sanchez wont be good Qb, but a guy tried to say that after 3 games he is now a bonified NFL starter.

How in the heck do you take my post and turn that into me being a fairweather fan?? LOL

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I want to also clarify something and im sure if pier and LMITOUT think real hard they will remember. A year ago i was arguing for jackson to be the QB.

I do remember that.

For the milliononth time no-body not even fish is saying T-Jack is an elite QB...K? And yes we know you guys are all tramitized from the playoff game... we get that, your angry and frustrated to no end.

My only point was that T-Jack who played not only good the last 6 games of the year "yes I know you all are in denial on that" and playe incredible this pre-season "yes we have heard all the excuses on why he played great this pre-season and won the number 2 job" was a better option than Sage again we understand how open minded you guys are and there is no wiggle room on this becuase of your guys superior knowledge over Chili and the rest of us who thinks its possible T-Jack may be and certainly is at this time based on results a better option than Sage or Booty.

Again we get it it's cased closed and T-Jack should be out of football for-ever!

Carry on!

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