SledNeck Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I honestly thought that Anthony Swarzak would stay up with the club. He has performed well...better than some OTHER Twins starters NOT named Baker, Blackbrun, and Slowey...uggg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratosman Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Well HelI.... For that matter substitute him for the hated Crain Wreck in the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahoohendoo Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 typical twins move. he just mows down a club, send him down and bring up a pitcher who got rocked a couple of times so he fakes a injury. way to take the high road glen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewski Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Yeah I definately think he should have stayed with the club, if not as a starter then as a reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave S Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I honestly thought that Anthony Swarzak would stay up with the club. He has performed well...better than some OTHER Twins starters NOT named Baker, Blackbrun, and Slowey...uggg Guess I've been watching a different Twins team with a pitcher named Slowey. The Slowey I've seen pitch has been doing pretty dam good. Crain or Liriano should have gone and Swarzak stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zamboni Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Originally Posted By: SledNeckI honestly thought that Anthony Swarzak would stay up with the club. He has performed well...better than some OTHER Twins starters NOT named Baker, Blackbrun, and Slowey...uggg Guess I've been watching a different Twins team with a pitcher named Slowey. The Slowey I've seen pitch has been doing pretty dam good. Crain or Liriano should have gone and Swarzak stay. Sleds saying Blackburn, Baker and Slowey are doing good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave S Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 My bad. Sorry Sled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zamboni Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Gardenhire does a few things that always leave me scratching my head- this is one of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Uran Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 After a 7 inning shut out? That is a head scratcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crothmeier Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Swarzak had no control in the last two outings he had. He looked a little rattled, maybe gardy didnt want to leave him out to completely wreck his confidence before sending him down. . . We need help in the pitching department. a heathly neshek would be awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHanson Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 After a 7 inning shut out? That is a head scratcher. I agree. Why in the world would you send a player down after one of the best pitching performances of the year? I don't question many of Gardy's choices very often, but this is definitely one of them. Swarzak really looked impressive in that last game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PierBridge Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Again, you don't make long term decisions particularly with young pitchers on such SHORT term samplings its not how its done and the Twins origination is the best in the business in the area of developing young talent CORRECTLY! it's a marathon not a one game playoff. So far I like him but its not like there is a scouting report on him and he hasn't faced the same batters enough to have enough data on how good he'll be! I wouldn't blame Gardy either. I'll bet he'd rather have had him stay up, but the front office has the future of this KID and the team to consider versus living for the moment like we do sometimes! I don't ecpect him in the Bullpen anytime soon either it appears he could be a good starter some day! Don't get me wrong I do understand the frustration but there are many reasons he was sent down. Reasons ranging from his contract to his confidence which all lead to his LONG term success.. He'll be back..... Go Twins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UdeLakeTom Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 There you go again PB...trying to make some sense for some of the naysayers.It took Baker, Slowley, Perkins all several trips to the big time before they came up to stay. I think I even remember a guy named Santana that got sent down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave S Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 It happens to them all, but it sure seems like once we have some good talent, they trade them off for the next (up-and-coming) BIG thing.I can't believe Joe nathan has lasted this long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofishfisherman Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Swarzak being sent down shouldn't be much of a surprise. And I don't think Gardy had a lot of options right now.With Cuddy, Crede and Span banged up they needed another bench player. Swarzak went down to bring up Morales so they had another option off the bench.Swarzak was expendable becuase Perkins was coming back as well when Crain was sent down. With Perkins healthy I think you need to go with him over Swarzak as he's had a longer period of success. Swarzak had 1 good game and other not so good games so its not like he was just blowing teams away. I suspect you'll see him back before the end of the year but right now I wouldn't worry to much about it. Perkins came back and pitched very well so in the end it looked like a good decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SledNeck Posted June 17, 2009 Author Share Posted June 17, 2009 3 out of 5 good games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofishfisherman Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 The point is still the same. He was doing well but he wasn't blowing the doors off of hitters. Trading him for Perkins in the rotation is a pretty fair trade. I just don't think you can take Perkins job away from him and give it to a guy who is unproven and done no better then Perkins has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SledNeck Posted June 17, 2009 Author Share Posted June 17, 2009 what % of good starts does liriano have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave S Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Pretty low this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Uran Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 I don't see why they are scared to demote Liriano. Throw him in the pen or send him down for a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofishfisherman Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 I just looked and Liriano has 6 quality starts out of his 13 starts. A quality start means 6 innings giving up 3 runs or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Hole Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Here's my guess on the front office's thought process:Perkins went on the DL, allowing him to rehab for 30 days in the minors without using an option. He may not have options remaining, so at some point, he must re-join the 25-man active roster and another starting pitcher has to go. If you send Liriano down, you've used up his last option year and you hate to do that at this stage with him.Players are only charged one option per season, so I wouldn't be surprised to see guys like Swarzak/Morales/Tolbert/Pridie up and down from the minors all year to fill gaps based on injuries. I know it seems easy to think that you can just send players up/down whenever you want, but it's not quite that simple. Player salaries, years of service, and option statuses all come into play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SledNeck Posted June 17, 2009 Author Share Posted June 17, 2009 I wanna see liriano go to the pen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave S Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 I just looked and Liriano has 6 quality starts out of his 13 starts. A quality start means 6 innings giving up 3 runs or less. Guess that means tonight's game isn't a quality start for Frank!! Definitely having some control issues. Mauer asks for one low and away and Frank tosses it over the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zamboni Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 I wanna see liriano go to the pen I wanna see him sent down and Swarzak come back up. It really opened Lirianos eyes last year when he got sent down. He was practically untouchable when he was recalled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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