The Vikings draft

[Scott K]

fishin58, I am not a fan of T-Jack's, although you wont catch me rippen him much. I went into last season with an open mind, I thought he was pulled to early, and didn't get a chance to show us what he had. He did get a second chance later in the season and had some very average for a NFL QB type games (good games for him), then had some really bad plays. I just think at best he may grow into an average QB with time. I just don't want to settle with a 4 year project average QB. If we are going to waste 4 years we should invest them in a possible good QB. I am sure if T-Jack played 2 more years he would improve every year, but in the end only be average, not worth it if you ask me.

[Born2Fish]

I am sure those 20 people would say the same thing? I don't insist that I know everything, and by all means I have a lot to learn. But I do follow football and I do watch every vikings game. I see T-Jack on the field, sometimes I cringe, but I have cheered pretty loudly for the kid too. My point being, I haven't seen much to make me feel the same way about the guy. I do not see him as our answer to qb(and i also do not feel sage is our answer either). Maybe if this Favre thing goes away, and he wins the starting job, he might prove us all wrong. I just honestly do not see that happening.

[FISHINGURU]

So tell us how this is any different then T? You cannot really tell me that the fans behind these QBS could forsee the future, like many of you arm-chair Qbs can!

the difference is the other qb's showed promise and was learning the game and showing improvement...t-awesome has been in the same hole for years...right when he's about to crawl out he falls right back in...even if he ends up being OK thats all he's every gonna be is OK...who wants to waste years on a OK qb?

hey check out our OK qb we moved up to take in the 2nd round that was supposed to be the franchise qb and now he's OK after 6 years...heck yeah!!

after we sign favre he'll be the 3rd string qb and probably done for as a starter.

t-awesome had an opportunity with the easiest job in football...8 or 9 in the box every single play with wr's and te's all over the field single covered...imagine how bad he'd choke if they actually used more then a couple defensive fronts and actually disguised what they are gonna do....he hasn't even learned to play against a couple defensive looks in 20 some games...the guy is horrible for real...he'd be the last guy picked out of all the starter qbs in the league...there are back ups that are better.

[Sandmannd]

Would you please come back down to earth and quit comparing T-Junk to anyone with any talent?

[Nick Kuhn]

Would you please come back down to earth and quit comparing T-Junk to anyone with any talent?

Agreed. Sure there are a few quarterbacks that do reach stardom after struggling early in their career, but 99% of quarterbacks with those numbers end up as career backups or out of the league altogether.

[fishin58]

Jsut give me some FACTS that he won't improve or can't improve. He has improved every year. That is exactly it 99% are back-ups, case in point S-JUNK!! Now there is a guy who had his shot, ask Houston how that worked out last year in a passing offense!

[fishinphilth]

It isnt that he wont improve or cant improve, it is the fact that the Vikings have everything set up to get to the super bowl right now, except a QB. AP, Chester, the defense, above average O-line, but no QB to get us over the hump right now. In my opinion neither T-Jack or Sage are going to do it this year. Hopefully some day T-jack will turn out to be a good QB, but with every other aspect of the team is there to take the team to the SB why not get a better option at QB to hopefully take us to the promise land?

[Rick]

It isnt that he wont improve or cant improve, it is the fact that the Vikings have everything set up to get to the super bowl right now, except a QB. AP, Chester, the defense, above average O-line, but no QB to get us over the hump right now. In my opinion neither T-Jack or Sage are going to do it this year. Hopefully some day T-jack will turn out to be a good QB, but with every other aspect of the team is there to take the team to the SB why not get a better option at QB to hopefully take us to the promise land?

There we go. Finally someone who makes sense.

The T-Jack haters and Sage haters are just shooting from the hip. That's for sure.

[Jim Uran]

Hey I'm an admitted Tjack "disliker", but have said that I would be willing to put my faith in Sage! He's on a real team now with a darn good running game, and a better o-line than Houston (hopefully). I'm sure willing to give him a shot at it.

[Sandmannd]

I've never hated on Sage, haven't seen him play for the purple yet. I've seen enough of T-slack though.

[Wadinator]

With a raw center and rookie right tackle, I think our O-line is more of a question mark than "above average".

And the Sage/Jackson debate is a moot point since Favre will be in purple by the beginning of the season (if not the beginning of next week). Then the question becomes which of our FOUR quarterbacks will we get rid of, or will we keep them all?

[Rick]

T-Jack had a 115.4 QB rating over the last 5 games he played in 2008. Saw it on ESPN today.

[fishin58]

Thats horrible, where would you get such info? I would really just cut him now, nobody can put up those kinds of numbers and expect to start let alone be an NFL QB....

[Born2Fish]

Wow...His last 5 games. His career QB rating is 76.5. Is that good or even sorta good? Would you consider a QB with a lifetime QB rating of 76.5 to be good? I did not think so. SO enough with the 115 over the last 5 games, he is a career backup...period.

[BullFighter]

Steve Young, is the correct Answer,

But Yes Terry Bradshaw threw a TON of interceptions his first 3 years.

[FISHINGURU]

1.FAVRE

2.SAGE

3.T-AWESOME

thats the vikings depth chart

[james_walleye]

I really want to see the vikings games that you have been watching LOL. This is hilarious. And stop with posting anything on Sage, the only thing you know about him is that he blew that game last year. Ya havent mentioned the game 2 years ago where he threw 4 TD's in the 4th quarter against the titans to bring the texans back. You havent mentioned that he was 4-1 as a starter in 07 when Schaub was 4-7. You know zero about Sage so quit. You obviously havent watched the guy so quit commenting about him. Last year Jackson wouldnt have started on 31 of the 32 NFL teams in the league. Thank god this year the vikings have made it 32 out of 32 teams he couldnt start for.

[FISHINGURU]

i agree totally

it was obvious when people thought sage was an immobile qb

jackson will be a 3rd string qb soon if we sign favre

[james_walleye]

He showed all he knew about Sage when he said he was immobile, and what he knows is a whole lot of nothing.

[zepman]

If we do sign Favre, I wouldn't be suprised to see him traded or cut altogether...his contract is up next year anyway. It would be an easy way to say "thanks...no thanks".

[Sandmannd]

Who traded or cut? T-Jack? Chilli won't get rid of him, that's his guy.

[Rick]

You T-Jack haters are funny. The facts really get to you. All I said was TJ's last 5 games were at a 115.4 QB rating.

FG, who said Sage was immobile? Answer: No one did.

James_Walleye your statements are off base and incorrect.

Born2Fish, grabbing at straws with the lifetime ratings when he's only started something like 19 games. That shows us his improvement is that much more dramatic.

I like Sage. He and T-Jack are a couple of the best back-ups in the league. Sage definitely has attributes TJ doesn't. In fairness TJ has attributes Sage doesn't.

The bottom line is some of you can't stand the good news about T Jack. Sounds like a personal issue to me. His last 5 games were at a 115.4 clip.

I like both our QBs. I just don't think either will get us to the Super Bowl.

I do like the idea of upgrading from our current QBs. Because a Superbowl win is what we're after.

[fishin58]

Wow nice personal attacks james, thats awesome. Let me know how good that makes you feel. That you cannot bring up any, yes any facts that improve your case for a 31 year old savvy vet??? grasping at games over 2 years ago....How about last year when T threw 4 tds against the NFC champions.

[Born2Fish]

No it does not show me how dramatic it is. Its a number. Do you really know how they even calculate passer rating? Well its a good thing I looked it up:

Passer rating is determined by four statistical components, each of which is computed as a number between zero and 2.375. The benchmarks for these statistics are based on historical averages. If any of the raw components are beyond the limits of zero or 2.375, the component is set to limiting value of zero or 2.375 as the case may be.

* The component for completion percentage, C, is calculated as: {{{COMP \over ATT} \times 100 - 30} \over 20}

* The component for yards per attempt, Y, is calculated as: ( { YDS \over ATT } - 3 ) \X {1/4 }

* The component for touchdowns per attempt, T, is calculated as: { TD \over ATT }\times 20

* The component for interceptions per attempt, I, is calculated as: 2.375 -( { INT \over ATT } \times 25

The four components are then added, divided by 6, and multiplied by 100. Thus, the formula for passer rating can be given as:

{(C + Y + T + I) \over 6}\times 100.

When is the last time we cheered for a guy that got a good passer rating in the game? I can't remember a single time. And just for the record I do not hate the guy. I do believe he has some potential, just not as our starter.

[Born2Fish]

And also just for the record I am not posting to make anyone mad. These are only my opinions and I do not mean any harm by defending myself. And by the way guys, we should be talkin opener!