IS Cuddy worth 7.66 million??

[greebs]

I hate to pour it on here but does anybody have any actual sources for stats on clutch hitting? I really think it would be hard to find any stats out there that will show cuddy being clutch for the team this year. He's got decent overall stats but he's not done well in the late innings when there's been runners on base and they need him to advance the runners.

here's a HSOforum link that I found with their version of what clutch hitting is. probably no surprise that no twins players are rated terribly high and cuddy is quite low. http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=batting&linesToDisplay=100&orderBy=clutch&direction=DESC&qual_filter=1&season_filter%5B%5D=2009&league_filter%5B%5D=1&pos_filter%5B%5D=All&Submit=Submit

Here's another way of looking at it. Would anybody disagree that Morneau is having a season that is down by his standards? Yet when you compare his stats to Cuddy who is having for the most part a near career best year for him, who's stats are quite a bit better?

I'm not trying to bury the guy, but I have to disagree with anyone who tries to say that cuddy is a stud. Again if you can find some stats out there that show him to be a clutch hitter, please share.

[Gary Crichton]

Well you seem to be slammin just him. Lets see today STATS as follows: Mauer 0-4 2 runners LOB. Morneau 0-4 2 runners LOB. Cuddy 1-4 and only 1 LOB. Ya Cuddy is the reason we lost today. Of course every lose you will blame Cuddy HUH.

[zamboni]

Cuddyer has done 2 things this season, 1 is something that very few Twins have ever done (hit for a cycle) and another that NO Twins player has ever done (hit TWO HRs in one inning) you Delmon Young fans can bash Cuddyer all you want, there isn't a GM in the Majors that would take Delmon on their team over Cuddyer, and thats the FACTS JACK

[SledNeck]

whats your obsession with the cycle?

so there are no better players out there that have never hit for the cycle

[zamboni]

If it was so easy, and noone cared, why is it a big deal when it happens? This isn't Little League where triples are almost as common as a beaning, this is the majors, and 3 of the 4 hits involved in a cycle are extrabase hits, including the toughest of all to get- a triple. Anyone even going 3 for 4 or even 3 for 5 with all 3 hits being extra base hits is something noone in the majors would balk at.

[SledNeck]

sure it was a good game, but there are some pretty less than avg players that have hit for the cycle. I would never determine how good a player is based on hitting for the cycle.

[zamboni]

Sled, we can argue all we want, Cuddyer is 3 times better than Young. Period.

I have heard the "Young has potential" argument a million times, but have yet to see even a glimpse of his so called "potential" and as far as Delmon and his pre All Star break, he might as well stay home, he does absolutely nothing until the second half of the season. He was a #1 overall, and he is leaning more toward Ryan Leaf than Peyton Manning.

[greebs]

Well you seem to be slammin just him. Lets see today STATS as follows: Mauer 0-4 2 runners LOB. Morneau 0-4 2 runners LOB. Cuddy 1-4 and only 1 LOB. Ya Cuddy is the reason we lost today. Of course every lose you will blame Cuddy HUH.

..well, this is cuddy's thread isn't it? I'd slam punto in the punto thread but nobody seems to be talking him up right now so what fun is that.

and again, please post some factual stats if you disagree with me. and besides that, please point out where I blamed him for today's loss.

[greebs]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/twins/lateinning.htm

here's another set of stats. morneau is having a less than stellar year yet whos stats are they similar to? looking at this though makes you wonder why buscher and morales aren't used more often as late game pinch hitters.

[greebs]

Sled, we can argue all we want, Cuddyer is 3 times better than Young. Period.

I have heard the "Young has potential" argument a million times, but have yet to see even a glimpse of his so called "potential" and as far as Delmon and his pre All Star break, he might as well stay home, he does absolutely nothing until the second half of the season. He was a #1 overall, and he is leaning more toward Ryan Leaf than Peyton Manning.

so does this mean you think cuddy is overpaid or are you thinking delmon needs a raise to 1/3 cuddy's salary? you are right that at this point in their careers, cuddy is a better player all around. don't forget though that young is 23 years old. was cuddy even in the majors when he was 23? I too question if young is gong to develop but keep in mind how young he is. I think the twins should have had him playing full time in the minors these past two seasons instead of languishing on the bench. (same with go go in my opinion.)

[SledNeck]

How can you make the argument that Cuddy is better when delmon never plays cause gardy would rather sabotage the team with gomez.

Delmon has more RBI per at bat than Cuddy. How can you argue that?

[zamboni]

Greebs- ALL pro athletes are overpaid, to be very honest. But it is something we all have to live with, that's part of life. I wish I was paid 1/10th of what most of any of these guys do to play a "game"

As far as Delmon not playing, theres a reason for it.

[Gary Crichton]

The come back was directed mainly at Fishin58, but since you two seem to be the main slammers lately, you get to included in. Sorry. Oh yea and sledneck, what the hey.

Cuddy or Delmon, Pretty easy decision there for sure. Don't even have to think on that one.

[SledNeck]

well, Delmon has 11 hits in his last 10 games

[fishin58]

With everything involved i.e salary, age, fielding, potential, current stats. There is no doubt Delmon is the right choice.

Mark my words, Cuddles is 10 days passed the prime of his career!! 2-3 years from now do you REALLY think Cuddles will be putting up his barely above average average numbers??? I dont think so.

In 2-3 years will Cuddles be any faster...no..So do you think he will get to any more balls then he does now? Will his 270 average improve any? No

Now, Delmon at 23, you really dont think the number 1 draft pick will get any better going into his mid to late 20's?

[SledNeck]

actually cuddy is below the avg for american league RFs

[SledNeck]

8th out of 11 qualified batters in batting avg

11th out of 11 in on base %

5th in strikeouts

6th in RBI

Hopefully this exposes the "dream" season

[fishyguy]

well, Delmon has 11 hits in his last 10 games

.....out of 38 at bats for a whopping .289 batting average in that span. Oh yeah, he did have two doubles for a .342 slugging.

Anyone else notice that Delmon's numbers in AVG, SLG, and OBP have declined in every year since his rookie season. Not exactly signs of improvement for a young player.

Gomez plays instead of Young for a few reasons. I am pretty sure it isn't because Gardy wants to intentionally sabotage the season and his own career record but it is because Gomez plays better defense, has a higher OBP, and his baserunning ability does put more pressure on the pitcher and the other teams defense.

[fishyguy]

With everything involved i.e salary, age, fielding, potential, current stats. There is no doubt Delmon is the right choice.

Now, Delmon at 23, you really dont think the number 1 draft pick will get any better going into his mid to late 20's?

I was posting while you were posting yours. Please see my post below about Delmon's numbers getting worse in the 3 major offensive categories, slugging, average, and OBP. Not exactly confidence building for the hope he will improve greatly.

Delmon would be the right choice if we were the Cleveland Indians and rebuilding for a run at the division in 2013.

[PierBridge]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/twins/lateinning.htm

here's another set of stats. morneau is having a less than stellar year yet whos stats are they similar to? looking at this though makes you wonder why buscher and morales aren't used more often as late game pinch hitters.

You're turning into fish58 and thats sad!

Maybe you don't get the Twins broadcast up der but if you do all you would have had to have done to realize Cuddy probably has half of our clutch hits in the last 2 -3 months is watch the games. Of course you already know that!

Fish58 you are correct the STATS are the STATS and in this instance they have been SLAMMED done your throat clear as the sky is blue!

In closing... WAH WAH WAH keep crying!

[PierBridge]

Delmon Young although it may change someday ='s Total Garbage!

[Gary Crichton]

Good Job PierBridge Good job. Nice 2 posts.

[UdeLakeTom]

I must be watching a different team. Sorta reminds me of a game my son and I were at when Bruno was out in right field.

The ball lined over his head, he did a fake catch, turned around and held the runners from taking extra bases. Half the dome was booing him. My son looked at me, him being all of 12 or 13 at the time and said..."why are the booing, he couldn't have caught it, and deked the runners out". He made the best of the play.

Sounds like lots of the Cuddy bashers are of the same mold around here. The are having trouble seeing what is actually going on.

Ya, know, can't stand Kym Johnson on DTWS because she has funny looking eyes!!!!

What are you really looking for???

How about bringing in Milton Bradley from the Cubs, now there is a real right fielder.

[Gary Crichton]

Ya I would like to see a lineup they would put together. We would have to put a payroll limit in place for 10 players.

[soldoncass]

Sled,

Interesting stats on AL RFer's.....BUT you only mentioned the TOP 11.....there are 17 listed with adequate ABs.

THE REAL STORY IS:

Cuddy: 76 runs 5th

24 Hrs 5th

70 rbis tie for 8th

BA .269 12th

SLG .500 5th

His #s are very similar to Nelson Cruz ,and Jermaine Dye....You guys want to throw them under the BUS also?

Or how about Ichiro Suzuki...8Hr,37 Rbi are you kidding me?send him down to AAA or AA

Or Abreu...13 HR, .434 SLG % ?????????

The FACTS are: Cuddy IS 5th in AL RF regulars for overall slugging #s....stats PROVE it. If you want a "dink and dunk" Rfer , with no power, and no rbi's....look for Ichiro #2.

For me , TWIN's management,and majority of fans....Cuddy is excellent and deserves to be out there.