Cutler

[Sandmannd]

Chilly didn't improve every year. His first year the team was worse than under Tice. Yea, the Vikes won 10 games but they should have had at least two more that T-Junk lost for them (lions). I think some of them were luck and the last game against the Giants didn't have the Giant starters in. I'm not taking anything away 10 games was nice, but in this division they shouldn't have just squeeked in as the North Champs.

[MUSKY18]

It's kind of hard not to improve every year when the rest of the teams in the division are tanking much worse than the Vikings. If the Bears or the Packers would have played better football down the stretch, the Vikes wouldn't have won the division. They got lucky, which is about all there is to it.

[zamboni]

I haven't commented in this thread in awhile, my hope for Cutlers all but gone. What I really regret looking back is not pursuing Brees, but then again- that would have been smart

[Scott K]

Why not go after Holt, you know the real one!! I just want a big offensive weapon added this offseason to get me excited to watch them this fall, otherwise I will spend my sundays outdoors.

[fishyguy]

Chilly didn't improve every year. His first year the team was worse than under Tice. Yea, the Vikes won 10 games but they should have had at least two more that T-Junk lost for them (lions). I think some of them were luck and the last game against the Giants didn't have the Giant starters in. I'm not taking anything away 10 games was nice, but in this division they shouldn't have just squeeked in as the North Champs.

Sandmannd,

I don't disgagree with any of this but just for accuracy Ferotte was the starter in both James against the Lions. Tjack came in to replace Ferotte in the second game and played well. 8-10 in passing.

[zepman]

Every team in the league won two or three "lucky" games last year...every year. We also lost one or two that we should have won...Indianapolis for one.

[zepman]

Every team except the Lions of course.

[Rick]

Let's just face it, Chili loves T-Jack boys.

That's why he went out and got a journeyman named Sage. Sage is a bit of a gunslinger so with any luck maybe that will rub off on tentative T-Jack. Or Sage will blossom like Gannon did.

All I have to say is Chili better WIN!!!!

[Sandmannd]

Originally Posted By: Sandmannd

Chilly didn't improve every year. His first year the team was worse than under Tice. Yea, the Vikes won 10 games but they should have had at least two more that T-Junk lost for them (lions). I think some of them were luck and the last game against the Giants didn't have the Giant starters in. I'm not taking anything away 10 games was nice, but in this division they shouldn't have just squeeked in as the North Champs.

Sandmannd,

I don't disgagree with any of this but just for accuracy Ferotte was the starter in both James against the Lions. Tjack came in to replace Ferotte in the second game and played well. 8-10 in passing.

Huh? Wasn't the Lions game where he threw 5 picks and that was the end of season for him until Gus got hurt?

[fishyguy]

Originally Posted By: fishyguy

Originally Posted By: Sandmannd

Chilly didn't improve every year. His first year the team was worse than under Tice. Yea, the Vikes won 10 games but they should have had at least two more that T-Junk lost for them (lions). I think some of them were luck and the last game against the Giants didn't have the Giant starters in. I'm not taking anything away 10 games was nice, but in this division they shouldn't have just squeeked in as the North Champs.

Sandmannd,

I don't disgagree with any of this but just for accuracy Ferotte was the starter in both James against the Lions. Tjack came in to replace Ferotte in the second game and played well. 8-10 in passing.

Huh? Wasn't the Lions game where he threw 5 picks and that was the end of season for him until Gus got hurt?

TJack started vs. GB and Indy. Ferotte replaced him in Week 3 vs. Carolina. Tjack then replaced Gus in the 2nd half of the 2nd Lions game. It was the 2007 season when Tjack threw 4 picks (t think) vs. Detroit.

[Rick]

Huh? Wasn't the Lions game where he threw 5 picks and that was the end of season for him until Gus got hurt?

Differant year. Second game of 2007 - 4 ints vs Lions. He had 12 ints all year. In 2008 regular season he had only 2 ints.

I can see why you're hating on T-Jack now. You blame everything on him

I blame Chili

[Sandmannd]

Na I'm just confused cause he was such a trainwreck. Most likely it was all the turnovers and not picks I was thinkin' of.

[Rick]

Na I'm just confused cause he was such a trainwreck. Most likely it was all the turnovers and not picks I was thinkin' of.

I'd say you were really confused. He gave up 3 fumbles in 2008. You must be thinking of Culpepper.

He wasn't a train wreck. He didn't show the ability to find open receivers or if he did he was way to tentative except the last two regular season games. Play calling sucked as well those first two games. It was a total Chili ball control offense. It was frustrating watching the play calls and only passing when everyone knew they had to pass in those first two games of 2008.

Everyone is just jumping on the Bash T-jack bandwagon because he didn't look so hot against Philly. Rightfully so. However he only started 12 games in 2007 and played in 9 but only started 5 in 2008. This is a long shot but he just might turn into a good QB. He has the physical tools. The jury is out on the mental part of the game.

It's obvious Chili likes him.

[KTapper]

Jeff George could have fixed everything..... wait he is still alive?

[zepman]

I agree Rick. It's very hard for a player to be successful when they're overcoached. He plays pretty darn well when they let him go a little but he still has a ways to go. That being said, I do think Sage will win the position of starting q-back this fall.

[Wade Joseph]

Troy Aikman and Dan Marino are still around somewhere.

[Scott K]

I think competion is a good thing. Jackson did start looking better and I gave him his chance. I am ready to move on, the team needs a QB now to lead them, and I don't want to wait for someone to develop.

[fishersofmen]

I agree Tavaris definately has the physical ability but somethings not right upstairs. The coaches have had to keep things very simple for him because he gets confused to easily. They obviously don't trust his intelligence. Look how they opened up the playbook for Ferotte when he came in. When T Jack is in the game we are strickly a running team. Lets see what Sage can do. With AP taking alot of pressure off him I think he will have a good year.

[zepman]

The same things that are now being said about TJack were also said about E.J. Henderson his first three seasons in the league. The light bulb finally came on in his 4th season. Some guys just take a little longer for the light to come on...especially q-backs.

[bassNspear]

T-Jack is a joke, period. The vikings are goign to get no where with him as our QB. Should have done the trade!

[koonie]

They won't open up the playbook for TJack because he can't handle it. He's not a good quarterback and he never will be. I don't care who coaches him or what playbook he learns. He was a horrible draft choice and he doesn't have the ability to be a good nfl quarterback. Terrible mechanics that haven't improved since college. Can't make good decisions on the field. Folds under any kind of pressure. Can't make pro throws. Gives us nothing at the quarterback position. Childress screwed up and this TJack experiment will set us back another three years minimum.

[fishersofmen]

Yep, its hard to believe going into yet another year Chili sais T Jack will be right there competing for the starting job. Why, so he can bench him after the first 3 or 4 games again? Its like the guy is just too proud to admit he has failed in his quarterback choice......

[fishinphilth]

The same things that are now being said about TJack were also said about E.J. Henderson his first three seasons in the league. The light bulb finally came on in his 4th season. Some guys just take a little longer for the light to come on...especially q-backs.

Reading and filling holes is a whole lot easier than reading an entire defence. I really want a new QB here, but they are not easy to come by. Hopefully your statement is right and we have a QB that will mature and has developed into something we can rely on, but I dont think that is true.

[Rick]

They won't open up the playbook for TJack because he can't handle it. He's not a good quarterback and he never will be. I don't care who coaches him or what playbook he learns. He was a horrible draft choice and he doesn't have the ability to be a good nfl quarterback. Terrible mechanics that haven't improved since college. Can't make good decisions on the field. Folds under any kind of pressure. Can't make pro throws. Gives us nothing at the quarterback position. Childress screwed up and this TJack experiment will set us back another three years minimum.

You might be right about most of it but you are off on the terrible mechanics statement. Maybe you're not an expert on QB throwing mechanics:

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/maasx003/Vikings/video/006-Capture0514-161800-048_new.mpg

Highlight Video and you can see his mechanics:

Funny Ending koonie will love

Funny how we forget or make excuses for him leading the Vikes in beating the SB runner-up Cards and the Giants.

I do admit his mechanics can always improve especially when he is on the run.

He does look good when he is running and he did look good in 3 out of the last 4 games he played in last year.

All I have to say is Chili better win whomever he puts in at QB.

[MUSKY18]

No doubt that the kid has the NFL arm, the NFL speed and ability, I just don't think he has the NFL mind. Maybe he does and Childress is such a crappy coach that he has screwed him over for life, maybe a combination of both......bottom line is that he hasn't proven anything to anyone!