The mighty Palomar has fallen

[DTro]

Some folks tested all knots in a head to head tourney and the finals came to the Palomar and what some call the super uni knot. The clear winner was what some call the super uni knot.

I haven't had any issues with a Palomar, but I'm always open to try something new.

Isn't really much different than a uni knot with an extra loop.

Something new to try I guess.

[Ralph Wiggum]

I've been following along and didn't think they could topple the Palomar. I was very surprised that they did! I wish they'd give more specifics--like % of line strength that each knot broke at for each line.

I will more than likely stick with my Palomar.

[PierBridge]

Were they using Braid?

I know BK uses a different knot... Trilene or Uni?

I know he did some testing and practicing in the dark and the Palomar lost!

[Ralph Wiggum]

Pier, they tested each knot with braid, mono, and fluoro.

I've tested the Uni versus Palomar on Power Pro and the Palomar won every time.

[Neighbor_guy]

I use the Palamar not as my primary for almost all hook and line fishing. That being said....

I have been using the "fishin fool knot" for years as my primary bowfishing knot. Only I knew it as "that GD pain in the rear bowfishing knot". I have never had it fail, and once it is seated it is seated. But it is hard to tie, and I wouldnt want to do it with thin braid, at least not w/o gloves on.

[Slowhand]

Being this thread is in the catish forum; how many times have you fellows experienced knot failure with a palomar on the heavy lines we normally use?

[DTro]

I don't honestly remember having a knot failure using the Palomar with braided line. That is not to say it hasn't happened, but I don't recall one specifically. I'm pretty sure that I had the knot work it's way through the hook eye gap though. That's another issue though.

I'll give this new one a try to see if it yields the same amount of waste, and also to see how easy it ties in the dark.

[wildcatcreek]

Palomar definetely when I'm out fishing streams and rivers. I usually don't have time to be messing around with more complicated knots. Palomar is just so simple, strong, and reliable.

[Cooter]

So basically a uni knot run through the hook eye twice? I've been tying that one for the past couple years. Very easy knot to tie.

[aanderud]

Interesting topic, but I think I will keep it simple, takes me long enough to retie with the palomar. Never seen what I would presume to be a knot failure yet, so why change up.

[DARK30]

No need for something new in the knot department

[Larry FlatCaster]

No need for something new in the knot department

and I'm still tying the improved clinch.

[wastewaterguru]

I still use the unimproved cinch for most of my mono knots. Never had too many issues.

I have been using the Palomar long enough that I don't think I can be taught a new trick.

I did have a knot failure yesterday with the Palomar on 15/4 Powerpro braided. Broke off a jig and there was still the business portion of the knot on the end of the line.

[rushing]

The Orvis and Palomer knots are the only two I use for any fishin.

[Cooter]

Very easy knot guys - if you're interested in it get some old line a give it a tie....or try! Doesn't take any longer than a palomar either.

[DTro]

I was thinking that it looks pretty easy too.

I know subjects like this are a bit trivial, but the way I look at it is that the Palomar must have knocked off another knot at one time or another. Now, maybe it’s something new, call it evolution if you will. Plus it’s a nice gap filler discussion between now and April .

For the life of me I cannot get the Improved Clinch knot to work with braid, that knot works well for mono, but at least for me I can’t get the darn thing to snug up with braid, it just wants to slip.

[Larry FlatCaster]

For the life of me I cannot get the Improved Clinch knot to work with braid, that knot works well for mono, but at least for me I can’t get the darn thing to snug up with braid, it just wants to slip.

Your right/ it will slip If you don't lube it up when you tie with a little saliva. I run the tag through end twice..... if that makes sense.

I can't recall a failure yet. Though I only use one of those with braid in my rigs. Mainline to swivel.

[DARK30]

I do use a clinch for small diameter mono while fishing for bait or panfish ... I'll usually go through the hook eye twice like with a trilene knot tho.

Its getting harder to even see the dog-gone line!

[DTro]

So tomorrow if I have some time I'll try testing these knots for myself. I'll do 2 of each with PP and 2 of each with Suffix. I have access to a calibrated 100lb digital force gauge.

I'll post my results.

[DARK30]

Don't pop yur stitches

[Slowhand]

I no line-ophile, but even some of these knots and lines perform differently after a good soaking; which is what we do, drown minnows.

[Slowhand]

If you could Dtro.....take acouple samples and soak them for acouple/few hours. Maybe dry samples and wet ones...Thanks.

[Slowhand]

....oh ya and what you soak them in could it be a mixture of animal fecal matter, and fertilizer runoff in a muddy mixture to similate true surroundings for us Minnesota river rats .

[Here-Kitty-Kitty]

Oh wow is that what I am swimming in.

[MinnesnowtaWild]

I use the Trilene knot for everything I use, and it always has held up but I may need to switch when I start using PP.