Crow V 5.0

[Scott K]

What nobody brought up Brett Favre? But please dont get him!

[Wadinator]

Kurt Warner, Arizona

Kerry Collins, Titans

Jeff Garcia, Tampa Bay

Charlie Frye, Seattle

Rex Grossman, Chicago

Ryan Fitzpatrick, Cincinnati

Matt Cassel, Patriots

Patrick Ramsey, Denver

Kyle Boller, Ravens

Brooks Bollinger, Dallas

Dan Orlovsky, Lions

Joey Harrington, New Orleans

Anthony Wright, Giants

David Carr, Giants

Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh

Byron Leftwich, Pittsburgh

Jamie Martin, 49ers

JT O’Sullivan, 49ers

Luke McCown, Tampa Bay

Todd Bouman, Ravens

Brian St. Pierre, Arizona

That's about the most extensive list I can find.

You can take Warner and Collins off the top of that list, as they're both going to resign with their current teams. Cassel will do the same.

IMO, the only obvious QB upgrade left (in this list) would be Garcia.

[fishin58]

If I had my pick and its a pick that is actually doable would be Carr. I am sure you stats guys will go nuts on this with negitivity but I think he has a lot left in his tank. Yes I am aware of his stats but most QB's that throw from there backside don't have that great of stats.

[walleyes12]

not much to pick from thats for sure!

[Sandmannd]

Lot of them aren't great, but I think they woud be an upgrade.

[zepman]

I thought the Vikes should have went after Carr last year. Chilly did not like his throwing motion...said it had a "hitch" or something like that. He would be an upgrade for sure.

[Wadinator]

I think Garcia would easily win the starting job in a competition against TJ, but I've been wrong before.

If we'd pick up Leftwich or Carr (I'd be open to either one), I'd actually give TJ a decent chance of retaining the starting job. Both these guys would push TJ and, should they win the job, would have many years left.

I'd hate to see us waste money on any of the other guys. I'd rather we just promote Booty to backup and go with TJ if we can't land one of those three.

I honestly don't know what is the best route for the team to take with the QB position this offseason, and I think our chances of getting much better at that position next year are pretty bleak. TJ improving might be our best option.

[CodyDawg]

Dont rule out the draft. Sam Bradford is prolly as polished or more so than TJ right now. Give him a training camp and he might be as good or better than Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco. And there are others as well.

[fishin58]

Wad, how would a guy say that next year was supposed to be T-Jacks actual first starting year. Because next year was is supposed to be his first year at the helm! I am looking forward to Vikes 09 that is for sure.

[pinkfloyd4ever]

Kurt Warner, Arizona

Kerry Collins, Titans

Jeff Garcia, Tampa Bay

Charlie Frye, Seattle

Rex Grossman, Chicago

Ryan Fitzpatrick, Cincinnati

Matt Cassel, Patriots

Patrick Ramsey, Denver

Kyle Boller, Ravens

Brooks Bollinger, Dallas

Dan Orlovsky, Lions

Joey Harrington, New Orleans

Anthony Wright, Giants

David Carr, Giants

Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh

Byron Leftwich, Pittsburgh

Jamie Martin, 49ers

JT O’Sullivan, 49ers

Luke McCown, Tampa Bay

Todd Bouman, Ravens

Brian St. Pierre, Arizona

I believe it was Christian Laettner who said it best "loser, loser, loser, loser, loser...."

[koonie]

While I like Bradford there are some question marks there.

He would be coming from a system thats loaded at every position making it easier to look good and put up big numbers.

OU runs a spread offense which doesn't really translate to the NFL. He would have to learn how to run a pro style offense and how to handle 3,5, and 7 step drops.

Doesn't necessarily have a great arm. Good not great.

He's also inexperienced. Another year would do him good.

BUT! I'd take him in a heartbeat. He is very accurate and smart to pick up on what I mentioned earlier. A good coach would be a tremendous help.

If I had a choice I'd take Sanchez over Bradford. I don't think either will come out though. If OU wins Thursday things may change. If the redshirt soph. and junior Qbs don't enter the draft this year it will be a horrible draft for quarterbacks.

[FISHINGURU]

i wish we would of got pennington way back when i said we should get pennington...we could of got him easily.

i'd take carr in a heartbeat..anderson..fitzpatrick..bulger..we need anyone at the moment.

get rid of gus...keep tjack...and let the best man win the job out of tjack and our new qb.

[fishin58]

So let me get this right....you guys lambblast Tjack for being a meathead rookie (who was a 3 year project anyway) but you would go after shoulder hanging by a thread just threw 4 interceptions Chad Pen?*&%*(^%

[fishin58]

Also being that most of you think you can play Qb in the NFL or that one is made in a year...How about the last sooner Qb to win the Heisman...how are they doing??? Jason White...Heupel...

[kr8r.tom]

Also being that most of you think you can play Qb in the NFL

the problem is tjack thinks he can play in the nfl.

[Sandmannd]

Someone was talking on KFAN today on my way home. When asked who he thought should QB the team next year he said "Anyone but the two we have". I thought that was funny and right on.

For the record, Pennington was the most improve player in the NFL this year.

[koonie]

What do Huepel and White have to do with Bradford? The only thing they have in common is they went to OU.

Tjack isn't a rookie. You keep making excuses for Tjack. Every time we won it was all about tjack and every time we lost it was everyone elses fault. According to you. Who ever said tjack was a three year project. Can you post a link to this three year project you keep talking about. Give it up you aren't going to convince anybody. I don't recall anybody saying they could play in the nfl. Where did you see this? You are just grasping at straws with your weak arguements.

[FISHINGURU]

So let me get this right....you guys lambblast Tjack for being a meathead rookie (who was a 3 year project anyway) but you would go after shoulder hanging by a thread just threw 4 interceptions Chad Pen?*&%*(^%

muahahahahahhahaha good one.

tjack has played in 25+ games man he's not a rookie lol..he's played and sat back and watched and "learned" the system now for 3 years....i know it's tough to find a guy that can compete with his 117.3 yards per game but we are gonna have to try.

pennington was in a new system and took a team that won 1 game last year into the playoffs...his qb rating and completion % is toward the top of the league and he threw only 7 int's all year....he threw 4 int's against the best defense in the league...his wr's fell down and a couple were batted balls...i'm sure some were his fault but thats how it goes when ed reed is out there.

how was tjack a 3 year project? what were we gonna do in the meantime? why would u move up and trade picks away to take a 3 year project in the 2nd round when he was a projected 5th rounder?

[koonie]

fishin58

For the recond Jason Whites knees were both shot and he wasn't considered a very good nfl prospect.

Josh Heupel was a sixth round draft choice.

Neither White nor Heupel had near the talent Bradford has. Anyone who watched them play could see that. Bradford is smart, accurate, has good mechanics, and doesn't lock on to recievers. From what I've seen tjack has terrible mechanics, only sees one reciever and isn't accurate. Tjack has what you would call a very low ceiling.

Guru

The second round of that draft will never make sense. Cook was also a 5th or 6th round pick.

[FISHINGURU]

i hear ya...its true tjack was a project thats obvious...the scouts were saying he's a 2-3 project at best....the part i don't understand is the moves we took to get him...we acted like he was a hot commodity...after the draft his agent said there were a couple teams that were mad that we moved up to get him...ofcourse he'd say that...i doubt they are mad anymore.

coming into the draft he was projected as a late 4th at the earliest through the 7th...he didn't even make alot of peoples boards.

same deal with cook...we were on the ball that year boy....atleast we got greenway....not quite as bad as 05 when we took troy williamson over demarcus ware and shawne merriman...we needed moss's replacement lmmfao...puke

[walleyes12]

For the record, Pennington was the most improve player in the NFL this year.

Also for the record, in order to be the most improve player in the nfl this year, last year you would of had to suck. and he won it twice, weres the consistancy?

[fishin58]

The comparison Mr.footballkoonie is that white won the Heisman at OU!! Kind of tough to win that thing...if you didn't know we drafted T as a raw 3 year project, then your not a very consistent Viking fan. So he just finished his third year and he still has lots of room for improvement. But ya know what when they drafted him, next year was supposed to be the first time he sees the field!! He got thrown in because we didnt have a good #1.

You saw what happened when he got to study for a few weeks he lit people up. Hopefully this offseason he keeps his nose in the film room and puts together 16 improved games. That is what I am hoping for as a VIKING fan.

On a side note most people talk about the third year is the big year for a NFL reciever....hmmm reciever vs. QB which do you think has a stiffer learning curve. I would think a Qb, they don't really talk about it, but I would bet that if asked most coaches/players would say it is 5 years for a QB.

[The Donk]

Oh please, don't make us go through two more years of this guy to find out IF they made a good pick! Its as obvious as the nose on your face he is a below average passer with good athleticism. Im pretty sure you just don't want your number 7 jersey to be put in the closet next to your number 84, and number whatever....

[fishin58]

Nope haven't bought a T jersey, I am especially jinxed when I buy a jersey. I was just stating in general, they always talk about the 3rd year boom for recievers, now take the far more complex position of the QB and how many years do you think it takes to really learn the position?

[fishin58]

Also for all those that were slobbering over Ryan/Flacco I heard a nice stat this morning they were a combined 0-9 this year when either of them had to throw 30+ times in a game.