Next years draft?

[BuckSutherland]

Carolina has ZERO receivers with an NFL catch. IF Watkins falls to 8 they might give up the farm to get him. Don't see him falling that far though.

I would trade them this year's 1 for their 1,2 and next year's one.

Here is what ATL gave Cleveland to Get J Jones.

The Falcons really coveted a receiver in the first round because they were eager to move up from the 27th spot. It was a blockbuster deal. In exchange for getting the sixth pick, Atlanta gave the Browns five -- five! -- draft picks: their 1st- (27th overall), second- (59th) and fourth-round (124th) picks this year and their first- and fourth-round picks in 2012.

[DrJuice1980]

I've been saying Bridgewater ain't all that for a while now. Under the microscope he fails to deliver. I know it's just one day that you see but I saw this during the entire season, not a top guy. Not going to pan out either. His college offense gave him too many easy looks/routes.

[Scott K]

I've been saying Bridgewater ain't all that for a while now. Under the microscope he fails to deliver. I know it's just one day that you see but I saw this during the entire season, not a top guy. Not going to pan out either. His college offense gave him too many easy looks/routes.

While I am not big on Bridgewter, but just because he didnt score big on his Pro day, dont think he will drop to far in the draft. They havent played a game in a couple months, they are not in game shape, scouts know that.

Bridgewater will be a decent game manager, I would say Stafford ceiling, but I think he will be a good game manager.

Bortles I think will be a solid career back up somewhere.

Manziel will either be a star QB, and make the team that picked him an instant playoff team, or he will fail miserably. I think he is the biggest wild card of the top 3 QB's. If I were picking, and all 3 were still on the board, I would pick Manziel. I think Norv Turner would turn him into a good QB, he is smart enough to play to Johny's strengths, rather then try to turn him into something he is not.

[DrJuice1980]

Scott, he's had how long to prepare and prepare to throw to who? He's been throwing steady and should be in top form. He's just not that guy. Won't have a chance at the next level, today was just another sign.

[zepman]

Cam Newton had a terrible pro day...

Jamarcus Russell put on a fireworks show at his...

It means nothing...watch the tape.

[DrJuice1980]

I watched the games. Too bland, and that don't transfer. If 3/4ths of the passing TDs in the NFL are TE Pop passes then he'll rock. Id take JM all day long over Teddy.

[zepman]

me too....

[FISHINGURU]

me three

[Scott K]

Me 4

[Hester]

I didn't.

[IceHawk]

+5

[fishersofmen]

Well then the majority agree.......

8. Minnesota Vikings — Texas A&M QB Johnny Manziel

I can’t get the blinders off. I think about Manziel on the field with Adrian Peterson and Cordarrelle Patterson, being coached by Mike Zimmer and Norv Turner, and I have to squint. It’s too bright, too much to take in. This is not a perfect fit, that Turner never has had to change his style for a quarterback’s skills as much as he would for Manziel. There is a chance that if Manziel falls past this point, he could float down to the 20s. But I also know that Zimmer might be the kind of red-one-just-like-silly-me coach who could get the most out of the young buck, and maybe even push the kid to new heights. It’s a fascinating prospect. The Vikings have solved other needs, including securing a worthy placeholder starting QB in Matt Cassel, and now they can roll the dice on greatness.

[DrJuice1980]

I didnt say I like JM, just that I like him WAY more than Teddy.

[BuckSutherland]

QBs that are as mobile as Manziel are not championship material. We dont need a guy with an ego bigger than the team.

[Scott K]

Yes because these timid quarterbacks have done wonders for us. Look at some of the bigger ego QB's out there, Favre, Brady, manning's, the ego, and leadership on the field keeps the team together.

[BuckSutherland]

Yes because these timid quarterbacks have done wonders for us. Look at some of the bigger ego QB's out there, Favre, Brady, manning's, the ego, and leadership on the field keeps the team together.

How many scramble/ run around like a moroon QBs have won the Superbowl?? The guys that can THROW, not run are the ones winning it. Manziel didnt have enough confidence in his throwing ability to throw at the Combine or his school's Pro Day. Had to make his own special day cause he knows he isnt that good.

You also have to remember he was behind one of the very best offensive lines in college football (Joeckel and now Matthews), and he had some of the very best guys to throw the ball to. A lot of his success comes from his teammates.

[zepman]

That's crazy talk Buck...

Bortles was the only top QB to throw at the combine this year and year after year the top QB's won't throw at the combine. It's not unusual at all.

Manziel is NOT a running QB...per say. He'll run given the opportunity...and he'll do it good. Look at his passing stats compared to everyone else in the country. He's at the top of the list the last two years.

Manziel played in the SEC...a conference he DOMINATED for two straight years. The conference that is unquestionably the best in the nation.

You don't like Johnny Football...we all get it. Who's your pick at QB this year then??

Teddy...Bortles...McCarron...Carr...Fales...Boyd... Pick one...please. Put your neck out there and tell us who's going to be the next great QB.

[FISHINGURU]

I think Buck has mentioned somewhere in the past about who he likes at QB.

I'm not saying JM is the greatest either, I'd just take him over Teddy. I'd probably take him over the "top" QB's just because of the "XFactor". Russell Wilson isn't that great of a QB either but look what happens when you build a nice team around them.

I'm not sure I'd take Johnny over some of the other top position guys at #8, but if he's there he will be hard to pass by if some of the other guys we are interested in are off the board.

Vikes might be content on rolling with Cassel during our outdoor stadium seasons and then bring in the new franchise guy once we get our new stadium.

[Scott K]

Even if you plan on rolling with Cassel for a year or two, it is best to get your future QB now, so he can watch and learn a year or two on the bench, rather then throwing him in the heat of things, and having to learn on the go. You cant expect a rookie QB to come in and be a game changer right after being drafted.

I am not sure where you get Johny is a running QB, he is a pass first QB, that isnt comfortable in the pocket, so he scrambles. He can make a decent pass, while on the run, he can see the open field, and look at all the options, rather then stare down your first option then when he is covered, force it, or panic like Ponder does.

Yes JM scrambles too much, and that is his weakness, but he has done pretty well doing so in the past. He had no reason to stop scrambling. If that doesnt work out for him in the pro's, he would have to adjust, and trust the pocket. But with our OL, a scrambling QB is just what we need.

[BuckSutherland]

That's crazy talk Buck...

Bortles was the only top QB to throw at the combine this year and year after year the top QB's won't throw at the combine. It's not unusual at all.

Manziel is NOT a running QB...per say. He'll run given the opportunity...and he'll do it good. Look at his passing stats compared to everyone else in the country. He's at the top of the list the last two years.

Manziel played in the SEC...a conference he DOMINATED for two straight years. The conference that is unquestionably the best in the nation.

You don't like Johnny Football...we all get it. Who's your pick at QB this year then??

Teddy...Bortles...McCarron...Carr...Fales...Boyd... Pick one...please. Put your neck out there and tell us who's going to be the next great QB.

I have said before that I would take Aaron Murray from Georgia. The ALL-TIME leading passer of the SEC!! Tremendous stats against the best, his teams almost always rated in the top ten. Best part is NOBODY is talking about him, he could be had for a fourth round pick, and if he doesnt work out it is simple to go away from him. He reminds me exactly of Tom Brady. I look for value, this is awesome value. Its much more value than spending the 8th pick on Johnny.

And his GF is hot.

[DrJuice1980]

Very nice but I like what Bortles brings to the table:

[fishersofmen]

I see this thread has taken a turn for the better.

[Scott K]

KEEP IT CLASSY GENTLEMEN!

[DrJuice1980]

Looks like First Class material to me!!

[JP Z]