Manziel Debate

[Big Dave2]

Lets see

Scored highest on the wonderlick- check

Plays in a big conference- Check

Passed for Huge yards against big teams- Check

Has great passer rating in a big conference- check!

Scored many passing TD's against some of the best college defenses- Check

Is a good on the field leader- Check

Has the drive to win- Check

Has many NFL scouts drooling over him- Check

Has the support of Drjuice- oops, not this one

Looks like JM checks out with all of the important things an NFL QB needs.

Yeah but he's about an inch too short.

[going4it]

So is Breeze and Wilson. How many rings do they have?

[greebs]

I just hope that not too many folks are pinning their hopes on the fact that Wilson has a ring because he's not tall or that the hawks would not have won this year without him. Let's face it; there are quite a few nfl qbs out there right now who would be celebrating the title if they wore a hawks uniform this past season. Not saying he isn't decent qb but he isn't reason they are sb champs.

[zepman]

I agree 100%...Wilson IS the real deal though. He's just going to keep getting better and better....

The key to Wilson's success is he landed with a team and COACH who let him be who he is...they didn't try to "change" him.

That's why I think the Jags take JF at #3...Gus Bradley is smart enough to do the same with him.

[FISHINGURU]

I just hope that not too many folks are pinning their hopes on the fact that Wilson has a ring because he's not tall or that the hawks would not have won this year without him. Let's face it; there are quite a few nfl qbs out there right now who would be celebrating the title if they wore a hawks uniform this past season. Not saying he isn't decent qb but he isn't reason they are sb champs.

I hear that, T-Junk probably could of started for the SeaChickens this season and won it all (ok that might be pushing it). That just goes to show what a strong running game and mean defense can do.

I think Wilson would just be another middle of the pack type QB playing with a different squad. His game fits nicely for what they want to do though, he don't make many dumb mistakes and pulls out a nice play here and there when needed.

[DrJuice1980]

I used to think the same about Wilson but his accuracy is pretty dang good. He fits that ball into small windows well. I think he's nice QB, not quite elite but top 10 for sure.

[BuckSutherland]

Found some extra footage of Little Johnny.

[DrJuice1980]

The short comments are getting old. Thats not why he wont succeed in the bigs. It will be his errant playing style. Too many "gamble" plays, it will drive a coach and OC crazy. Trust is a monster factor in the NFL and if the coach doesnt trust you'll make the right decision consistently then your playing time will drop until your no longer suiting up.

[BuckSutherland]

Lots of reports starting to surface about the Cowboys being in love with Manziel. That seals it for me. He is gonna suck in the NFL.

[FISHINGURU]

I don't see it happening with the Vikes, can you imagine some of the fans anger if Johnny is on the board and we go defense or a different QB?

[LMITOUT]

At that point you really have to think about firebombing Winter Park. Seriously, why would a fan even bother with this team if they pull that (well, other than the mouth breathing Larry Spooner's out there who are too dense to know any different)?

[Getanet]

I think it's very doubtful Johnny is there at #8. If they are, and Jerry Jones is really stupid enough to trade up for JF after just signing Romo to a huge contract, than it's time for a little payback for the Hershel Walker trade.

By the way, I hate the new timing of the draft. We should be debating who the Vikings did pick, not spending two more weeks arguing who they're going to pick.

[DrJuice1980]

At that point you really have to think about firebombing Winter Park. Seriously, why would a fan even bother with this team if they pull that (well, other than the mouth breathing Larry Spooner's out there who are too dense to know any different)?

Draft-ability checklist:

Talent

Fits into our program

Position in need

Distractions risk/reward

Income generation

Fans approval

1 of these does not belong.

If you think the "fans approval" is part of the selection process you live in fantasy land.

[LMITOUT]

Wasting away again in Mediocreville...

[LMITOUT]

If you think the "fans approval" is part of the selection process you live in fantasy land.

Didn't say it was.

Defensive much? Or just a Larry Spooner worshiper?

[DrJuice1980]

I had to google Larry Spooner as I had no idea who he was. Without clicking on any links I can come to the assumption that he has too much time on his hands and a super rube.

[CaptainMusky]

Wasting away again in Mediocreville...

So, JM will be the leader who brings this franchise out of mediocreville?

[LMITOUT]

Won't matter because the gutless Vikings will never draft him anyway.

[CaptainMusky]

So they're gutless if they don't draft him (if he's there) but you're not gutless when you won't answer my question?

[zepman]

Gruden loves JF and has him as his #1 QB this year and he's done an in-depth "research" and up close evaluation on all of them.

Carr was his #2...

I've read and seen more and more reliable sources say that Carr is placed exactly where Gruden has him on many NFL teams...I would not be suprised at all to see Carr as our #8 pick.

Should be an interesting 1st day of the draft...

[BuckSutherland]

I think it's very doubtful Johnny is there at #8. If they are, and Jerry Jones is really stupid enough to trade up for JF after just signing Romo to a huge contract, than it's time for a little payback for the Hershel Walker trade.

By the way, I hate the new timing of the draft. We should be debating who the Vikings did pick, not spending two more weeks arguing who they're going to pick.

Dont underestimate the stupidity of Jerry Jones. After all, he did keep Jason Garrett, and keep himself as GM.

[BuckSutherland]

Gruden loves JF and has him as his #1 QB this year and he's done an in-depth "research" and up close evaluation on all of them.

Carr was his #2...

I've read and seen more and more reliable sources say that Carr is placed exactly where Gruden has him on many NFL teams...I would not be suprised at all to see Carr as our #8 pick.

Should be an interesting 1st day of the draft...

Who cares what Gruden thinks. I want nothing to do with either Manziel or Carr. Manziel is gonna struggle when he doesnt get the 10 second pocket like he did at A & M. Carr has happy feet and cant stand pressure in his face. Norv Turners down field routes require time to develop. That will fluster Carr, and in that case we might as well keep Ponder.

[FISHINGURU]

I dunno, I thought Carr did pretty well with pressure in his face, he's got some decent moves in the pocket. I like that he has some fire out there when he's playing. I was recently watching all the top QB's highlights on youtube and thought Carr was one of the best ones.

I probably wouldn't take him at 8, but if we traded down to stock pile picks or came back into the 1st or got him in the 2nd that wouldn't be bad.

Carr has 10x the arm as Blunder, atleast if he does have happy feet and gets flushed atleast he can still throw the bomb. Blunder would buy time but couldn't hit the open guy down the field so had to run for a 4 yard gain lol. Atleast the QB we do draft can get in some practice and correct some issues before he is asked to start since we have Cassel.

The one thing Carr has going against him is his brother was a bust, I wouldn't hold that against him though.

[holmsvc]

Who cares what Gruden thinks. I want nothing to do with either Manziel or Carr. Manziel is gonna struggle when he doesnt get the 10 second pocket like he did at A & M. Carr has happy feet and cant stand pressure in his face. Norv Turners down field routes require time to develop. That will fluster Carr, and in that case we might as well keep Ponder.

A lot of people care about what Gruden thinks. A lot more people care about his evaluation of a player than yours. The Vikings made a horrible mistake when they took Ponder in the first round. They need to get a QB or they might as well trade AP for draft picks.

[BuckSutherland]

A lot of people care about what Gruden thinks. A lot more people care about his evaluation of a player than yours. The Vikings made a horrible mistake when they took Ponder in the first round. They need to get a QB or they might as well trade AP for draft picks.

They should trade Peterson regardless, just like I said they should have dumped Allen when he had some value. We will never win it all with Peterson on this team. RBs simply dont matter. Not taking anything away from Peterson, but you dont give a RB tons of money when you have no QB.