The Official Minnesota Vikings 2013 Thread!!

[BuckSutherland]

Yep, love to hate and love to troll. Maybe some of us are sick tired of SUCKING year after year and would like to fricken do something for once. The fact that the play was our only option to score shows just how bad things really are. Too bad we don't play Jacksonville and you aren't in charge DR donkey so we could end up with the first pick.

Sick of tanking in NFC championship games, sick of celebrating divisional playoff wins like it was the Superbowl. Sick of being happy and just making the playoffs and saying we will get them next year. Sick of being so short-sighted that we try to build a team to win for one year, and not build it for ten.

LMT show them the trophy case again.

[DrJuice1980]

The fact that the play was our only option to score shows just how bad things really are. Too bad we don't play Jacksonville and you aren't in charge DR donkey so we could end up with the first pick.

LMT show them the trophy case again.

So now you agree with the play call??? Weird you would contradict yourself like that again... Thanks for the name call again though, I appreciate it . Maybe you can think for yourself next time instead of call on your troll brother LMT for back up.

The Vikes are in need of some new Blood on the sideline. There is no option to start over with a new roster, a coach needs to come in and coach these guys. It seems every game/team I watch, the team comes in with a plan of attack. What is ours? There never seems to be a game plan. Watching that game last night, seahawks/rams, and the plan Jeff Fisher put together against a great defense was masterful. Yeah the Rams lost but the way that team executed the run and play action with much less talent than the Vikes was awesome to watch. Where is our plan? Line up, snap the ball, try to block the guy lining up in front of you and if the D throws a different look at you then give up? And then on D, lets rush 4 and play cover 2 and throw no "looks" at the opposition. No schematics at all. There isn't one team out there that would lose to us.

[LMITOUT]

Theres more football knowledge in my morning stool than both of them combined.

You're full of something but it sure ain't "football knowledge" as you've demonstrated repeatedly in your posts here.

[DrJuice1980]

You're full of something but it sure ain't "football knowledge" as you've demonstrated repeatedly in your posts here.

Please list these examples so we can have something to debate. Talking points are much better than invalidated statements.

[LMITOUT]

We've debated them repeatedly so there isn't much reason to do it again, but you can believe my statements have been validated time and time again. This can be proven just by looking at the Vikings record. What you support is failing miserably, while all my points have hit the mark time and time again. Once again, this is a luxury I have when viewing objectively compared to your Wobschall induced lunacy. You have been wrong every single time.

[DrJuice1980]

If you can not single out a few scenarios of my inept ability to analyze football than I will go ahead and just assume that you are playing your usual games LMT. Its funny that you say I am being supportive when I am actually being critical (previous post stating that the staff needs to go and we need new blood isn't really supportive). Certain situations (very few might I add) I do agree with. I call it as I see it, you call it as you see it through a pair of cloudy glasses filled with high levels of hypocrisy. Viewing things objectively never lets you fully see the truth, that is a bad thing when it comes to debate, pessimism never wins. You never input anything that's factual, you only come on with these one-liners that you think are genius followed by a funny cartoon that will get an LOL from a few people. You think then your statements are validated? They are most likely laughing at you not with you, pal.

Now please Zygi, get a new leader in here. Gruden, Rob Ryan, Cower, Dungy, Bruce Arians, Denny freaken Green, ANYBODY!!! Somebody that can game plan!

[Scott K]

Bring back Jerry Burns, I miss his bed time stories!

[LMITOUT]

Viewing things objectively never lets you fully see the truth,

[DrJuice1980]

LMT, let's actually see you give some informative input rather than input that has nothing to do with the topic. Show how smart you think you are rather than look for arguments and contradict yourself steadily.

[Big Dave2]

If you can not single out a few scenarios of my inept ability to analyze football

I can think of 2 right off the top of my head.

1. Your take on the running play at the end of the first half was dead wrong and you were advised amply by others as to why it was wrong.

2. In another thread you state something to the effect that the defensive line is not the problem, it's the linebackers and secondary missing tackles. Again, dead wrong. If the D-line is doing their jobs there wouldn't be so many tackles missed by the linebackers and secondary because THEY would be making a few of the tackles. I'm not going to stick up for too many players on this team and they all leave something to be desired but most every good secondary I've ever seen has been a product of an even better defensive line. If the line is tackling running backs and pressuring quarterbacks it sure makes a secondary look good.

[FISHINGURU]

It's all on the defensive line in the Cover 2. We barely blitz or do anything special. We mainly play zone with 2 high safeties and play the middle linebacker deep. Without any pressure from the front 4 QB's can eat us alive, no linebacker, corner, or safety can cover a WR when the WR has all day to get open.

[DrJuice1980]

I can think of 2 right off the top of my head.

1. Your take on the running play at the end of the first half was dead wrong and you were advised amply by others as to why it was wrong.

2. In another thread you state something to the effect that the defensive line is not the problem, it's the linebackers and secondary missing tackles. Again, dead wrong. If the D-line is doing their jobs there wouldn't be so many tackles missed by the linebackers and secondary because THEY would be making a few of the tackles. I'm not going to stick up for too many players on this team and they all leave something to be desired but most every good secondary I've ever seen has been a product of an even better defensive line. If the line is tackling running backs and pressuring quarterbacks it sure makes a secondary look good.

1. PLEASE name me a guy on this squad that you would have rather put the ball in the hands of, PLEASE. If its truly a pass from Ponder then I am sure I can find dozens of posts from you (and all the others that want to argue me) calling out Ponder for his weak arm strength and accuracy issues. You have an opinion, I have an opinion. The only thing that is fact is this: Touchdown AP! It worked. It wasnt wrong. Even if he didnt get in it wouldnt be wrong why? Because he is about the only trustworthy guy we got on that side of the ball.

2. When there is no blitz scheme its pretty hard to be productive up front. Why? Well when you line up 4 vs 5 every down and you barely run a blitz package with your LBs or DBs you are already at a disadvantage. Now add in a TE or 2 and a Blocking RB you are WAY WAY over matched. You could have the best D-Line in the game and they'd look as bad as ours. Big D, its pretty hard to do your job when you're out numbered on every snap. How many times did you see a LB or DB leave their feet and miss a tackle? I dont know about you but I saw it MULTIPLE times. This may all be beyond your level of comprehension, think a little deeper into it. Here, I will come down to your remedial level:

More O's than X's, who wins more of the time?

A) O's

X's

C) Both A and B

D) I only understand fake wrestling

[Slabasaurus]

1. PLEASE name me a guy on this squad that you would have rather put the ball in the hands of, PLEASE. If its truly a pass from Ponder then I am sure I can find dozens of posts from you (and all the others that want to argue me) calling out Ponder for his weak arm strength and accuracy issues. You have an opinion, I have an opinion. The only thing that is fact is this: Touchdown AP! It worked. It wasnt wrong. Even if he didnt get in it wouldnt be wrong why? Because he is about the only trustworthy guy we got on that side of the ball.

Furthermore, it was probably the only play call all year that wasn't predictable...

This board is full of posts calling out the vikes play calling (for good reason, it's predictable).

And... as you said... it worked. TD AP!

[YiGGiN4SLoBS]

It's all on the defensive line in the Cover 2. We barely blitz or do anything special. We mainly play zone with 2 high safeties and play the middle linebacker deep. Without any pressure from the front 4 QB's can eat us alive, no linebacker, corner, or safety can cover a WR when the WR has all day to get open.

Spot on.

But i would say its not just pressure from the front 4. EVERY good to great cover 2 defense (and any good defense for that matter) has a common theme and thats a STUD MLB. Urlacher, Derrick Brooks, Ray Lewis just to name a few. The vikings LB play has got to be some of worst i have ever seen. The last time the vikings had a stud MLB may have been scott studwell in the late 80's, and I'm not sure you could even call him a stud.

Also you need 2 corners that can cover someone...... where do you find those at? Home Depot?

[CaptainMusky]

LB is just one of many weak points on this team. IMO not having Winfield in this D is what's causing the vast majority of our issues. The rest of the players are essentially unchanged from a year ago.

He was very impactful for the Vikings while he was here. Too bad things couldnt have gone differently there to keep him in Purple.

[countyline]

The current Vikings QB's make this guy look like a HOFer.

[YiGGiN4SLoBS]

LB is just one of many weak points on this team. IMO not having Winfield in this D is what's causing the vast majority of our issues. The rest of the players are essentially unchanged from a year ago.

He was very impactful for the Vikings while he was here. Too bad things couldnt have gone differently there to keep him in Purple.

COUNLD NOT AGREE MORE

[DrJuice1980]

Winfield and to throw another old timers name in the mix, Urlacher. I know they're both past their prime by a lot but what they would have brought in knowledge. Also there is zero leadership on both sides of the ball or the sideline. That's something that is missing big time and I don't see anybody stepping up to the challenge. Certain players demand more from their teammates and we have nobody like that. Could you imagine Ponder trying to pump up the O? It be like Mauer giving a pep-talk.

[BuckSutherland]

We already have JA and AP. IF those guys cant get them fired up you think Winfield and Urlacher are gonna? Urlacher has zero speed left. It wouldn't be any different than what we already have. I think Winfield could have still actually played. Would have been nice to see at least one or two proper form tackles this season.

[DrJuice1980]

Urlacher had tremendous heart, leadership, and knowledge. Name a LB that can read an offense on this squad. None. That's a huge part of a good NFL defense. If he ran a 5.0 40 it'd be much better than a 4.7 guy who can't tackle or make reads.

[JosMN]

How bout your coach give a little pep talk or lead tour team? The guy stands there with a blank look on his face all game and says nothing. Laughable

[YiGGiN4SLoBS]

I think Winfield could have still actually played. Would have been nice to see at least one or two proper form tackles this season.

If Winfield signed today he's the best tackler on the entire defense instantly.

[DrJuice1980]

How bout your coach give a little pep talk or lead tour team? The guy stands there with a blank look on his face all game and says nothing. Laughable

Agree'd. And the rest of the team seems to sport that same mentality. Last time I checked the NFL is pretty intense, the Vikes have zero of that. It would take Dick Vermiel on steroids to make an impact at this point. Is he still alive and could we hire him?

[Rippinlip]

My Father was not a man that yelled or screamed, but the message was received loud and clear.

What I would like to see out of Leslie or any new coach is when a player makes a bone-headed move (which happened a lot this year), that our coach would stand in his face and not necessarily yell, but the point is being made that particular situation is unacceptable and will "Never Happen Again!" get my point?

With his and the rest of the coaching staffs antics, it looks like they are accepting failure.

Everyone leads in different ways, but good leaders know how to hold people accountable.

Also they are not afraid to bench star players to show them that are no bigger than the TEAM.

Too much entitlement goes on in this world.

[echotrail]

Did anyone's kids come home from trick or treating last night with Viking tickets in their bucket?