LoveDemNortherns Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I was up in Brainerd agian this year for the JC tourny and behold, I found Rosy Red minnows again at the local bait shop...I was wondering if anyone knows the legal "ins and outs" of this bait? Example, my buddy was the first one to show me this bait a few years ago BUT, this last summer he was up in the area and went to the SAME bait store that we went to this weekend, and the guy at the store said they were illegal....???? But now they have them again??? Are these only legal to use in the winter months? Does anyone know if they're legal to use in southern MN? Whats the deal? I know they work great in my area but am starting to question if its even ok to use them down here. BTW I live in Mankato. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonteepical Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 All minnows have to come from minnesota waters, maybe he found another bait dealer who raises them in mn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad B Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 they are just regular crappie minnows dyed orange. so color wouldn't make them illegal. the trick would be to find a dye that won't kill them and do it yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveDemNortherns Posted January 20, 2013 Author Share Posted January 20, 2013 Cool, thanks! Do they have a tendency to die faster? I just brought back a bucket full today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Outdoors Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 they are just regular crappie minnows dyed orange. so color wouldn't make them illegal. the trick would be to find a dye that won't kill them and do it yourself. The original Ruby Reds that started appearing years ago were not dyed minnows.The DNR really didn't know what they were, or what to do with them, but did ban them to the best of my knowledge.Whether or not the ban has been lifted, ignored, was only temporary, etc, I don't know.They originally thought they were a cross between two different species, but don't know how that theory came out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveDemNortherns Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 Would you know by chance if the ones sold in my local pet store as feeder fish are the same as the ones sold in bait stores? They look about the same but I guess I dont know if the ones in the store are dyed. That may be their natural color. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outdrzman78 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 rosy reds are just orange fatheads and there are only a couple bait dealers licensed to raise them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Outdoors Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 They very closely resemble an orange fat head with their body style, but there were questions as to what gave them the color (cross breeding with different or various species, whatever??) that the DNR had before giving them the green light to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrklean Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 i wonder if those are similar to the gold crappie minnows i got a few times from scheels, they worked awesome but they only came in once or twice a year mixed in with normal crappie minnows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampman Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 i wonder if those are similar to the gold crappie minnows i got a few times from scheels, they worked awesome but they only came in once or twice a year mixed in with normal crappie minnows. Those were probably red bellied daise they often have a gold color Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Outdoors Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 I talked to one of my bait trapper's from Park Rapids earlier today, and learned that the Rosy Reds originally came from Arkansas (like most Golden shiners did).They are actually an albino Fathead Chub, but not a true albino because they have black eyes.They must be raised in clean ponds with only Rosy Reds in them to keep their color when reproducing.If the ponds contain ANY regular Fatheads, all minnows in the pond will eventually revert to their normal dark color. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydog25 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 I have bought a scoop or 2 this winter at a local bait place near my cabin and was told they are albino as well. However I asked if they were raised in a pond and was told they were sorted and very hard to get. The guy said they will change to regular color the older they get. I thought it sounded a bit off. I haven't bought them again since. I was up 2 weekends ago and there was a tank full still. I have heard guys do really good using them, but they didn't do anything for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherman-andy Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Interesting... I think you can find these minnows at your local Pet/fish stores. I remember using them and small goldfish as feeders. They were pretty cheap then. Not sure of pricing now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaSwede Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 I used to have a piranha in a tank, and would buy three dozen of the pet store variety. They were super cheap back then (16 years ago). And man was it fun to watch him rip through those orange snacks!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydog25 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Hopefully a minnow trapper or bait shop owner will chime in. I am really curious now. They may be cheap in a pet store, but the certainly aren't at the bait shop if they are the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrklean Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 probably not leagl either to use if you buy from a pet store Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydog25 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Exactly, makes me wonder if the ones in the bait shop are legal? I am guessing they are...the bait shop I bought them from is a fairly big place right on 371. I really want to know if they are dyed, raised that way, or sorted like I was told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom7227 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Aren't the feeders at the pet store just regular gold fish? I know gold fish are illegal to fish with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawg Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 If they weren't legal then Sheri at S&W Bait would be in jail by now, they've had them just about all the time for quite a few years. Call her, she'll tell you what they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech~~ Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 I know Vado's bait on hwy 65 has them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Outdoors Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Rosy Reds ARE LEGAL to sell. Any goldfish is ILLEGAL to use for bait.I doubt that pet shops are selling Rosy Reds.Answering the question, are Rosy Reds dyed.No, they are albino chubs that originally came from Arkansas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Outdoors Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Exactly, makes me wonder if the ones in the bait shop are legal? I am guessing they are...the bait shop I bought them from is a fairly big place right on 371. I really want to know if they are dyed, raised that way, or sorted like I was told. They are NOT DYED OR SORTED, and must be bred seperately from all other chubs, or they will turn black after a few seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherman-andy Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Rosy Reds ARE LEGAL to sell. Any goldfish is ILLEGAL to use for bait.I doubt that pet shops are selling Rosy Reds.Answering the question, are Rosy Reds dyed.No, they are albino chubs that originally came from Arkansas. Rosies are not Albinos. They are a genetic mutation that causes the color. Although there are fathead minnows that are true albino w/red eye the Rosies are not and are commonly mistaken for albinos cause of their color.And yes they are sold at Pet Stores as feeder fish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Hopefully a minnow trapper or bait shop owner will chime in. I am really curious now. They may be cheap in a pet store, but the certainly aren't at the bait shop if they are the same Great Outdoors is a bait shop owner in Ely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Outdoors Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 I called one of my bait trappers that raises Rosy Reds and states that they are an albino, though not a true albino because of their black eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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