Black gun ban?

[Gordie]

You most likely filled out a 4473 form.

[chad austin]

This about sums it up

[nobody05]

I filled out the same for as I did when I bought my shotgun last year for the AR. I even asked the guy do you need a permit to purshase. Clearly replied with a "nope!"

[LightningBG]

I filled out the same for as I did when I bought my shotgun last year for the AR. I even asked the guy do you need a permit to purshase. Clearly replied with a "nope!"

Simply put: He was wrong when you bought the AR.

It is true, you would fill out the same form for the AR and the shotty, but for the AR, legally you need a permit to purchase, or a permit to carry.

[LightningBG]

Overall, these checks and permitting are going down 2 separate roads.

There is the Feds (ATF) and the state laws.

The feds state you have to fill out 4473 and have it called in for a background check, this includes receivers (lowers for ARs)and frames. This is for any firearm (per the def below) that is sold or transferred through a FFL.

Quote:

18 USC Sec. 921

(3) The term "firearm" means (A) any weapon (including a starter

gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to

expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; ( the frame or

receiver of any such weapon; © any firearm muffler or firearm

silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include

an antique firearm.

The only exception to the 4473, is if your state has taken on the responsibility of Point of Contact, in which case, the states background check satisfies the ATF. MINNESOTA IS NOT ONE OF THESE STATES.

So. In MN, all FFL transactions are supposed to have a 4473 called in, no matter what permits the buyer has.

Now. State.

In MN, they require a permit to purchase or a permit to carry for all handgun transactions, and "military" whateverness. This requirement can also be satisfied by the FFL doing a Report of Transfer (which is what they call in if you wanted to buy one without one of the other permits. BUT, then there is a 5 day wait, unless its waived by the local PD.

Quote:

624.7132 REPORT OF TRANSFER.

Subdivision 1.Required information.

Except as provided in this section and section 624.7131, every person who agrees to transfer a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon shall report the following information in writing to the chief of police of the organized full-time police department of the municipality where the proposed transferee resides or to the appropriate county sheriff if there is no such local chief of police:

(1) the name, residence, telephone number, and driver's license number or nonqualification certificate number, if any, of the proposed transferee;

(2) the sex, date of birth, height, weight, and color of eyes, and distinguishing physical characteristics, if any, of the proposed transferee;

(3) a statement that the proposed transferee authorizes the release to the local police authority of commitment information about the proposed transferee maintained by the commissioner of human services, to the extent that the information relates to the proposed transferee's eligibility to possess a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon under section 624.713, subdivision 1;

(4) a statement by the proposed transferee that the transferee is not prohibited by section 624.713 from possessing a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon; and

(5) the address of the place of business of the transferor.

The report shall be signed and dated by the transferor and the proposed transferee. The report shall be delivered by the transferor to the chief of police or sheriff no later than three days after the date of the agreement to transfer, excluding weekends and legal holidays. The statement under clause (3) must comply with any applicable requirements of Code of Federal Regulations, title 42, sections 2.31 to 2.35, with respect to consent to disclosure of alcohol or drug abuse patient records.

Subd. 2.Investigation.

Upon receipt of a transfer report, the chief of police or sheriff shall check criminal histories, records and warrant information relating to the proposed transferee through the Minnesota Crime Information System, the national criminal record repository, and the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. The chief of police or sheriff shall also make a reasonable effort to check other available state and local record-keeping systems. The chief of police or sheriff shall obtain commitment information from the commissioner of human services as provided in section 245.041.

Subd. 3.Notification.

The chief of police or sheriff shall notify the transferor and proposed transferee in writing as soon as possible if the chief or sheriff determines that the proposed transferee is prohibited by section 624.713 from possessing a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon. The notification to the transferee shall specify the grounds for the disqualification of the proposed transferee and shall set forth in detail the transferee's right of appeal under subdivision 13.

Subd. 4.Delivery.

Except as otherwise provided in subdivision 7 or 8, no person shall deliver a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon to a proposed transferee until five business days after the date the agreement to transfer is delivered to a chief of police or sheriff in accordance with subdivision 1 unless the chief of police or sheriff waives all or a portion of the seven-day waiting period. The chief of police or sheriff may waive all or a portion of the five business day waiting period in writing if the chief of police or sheriff finds that the transferee requires access to a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon because of a threat to the life of the transferee or of any member of the household of the transferee.

No person shall deliver a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon to a proposed transferee after receiving a written notification that the chief of police or sheriff has determined that the proposed transferee is prohibited by section 624.713 from possessing a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon.

If the transferor makes a report of transfer and receives no written notification of disqualification of the proposed transferee within five business days after delivery of the agreement to transfer, the pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon may be delivered to the transferee.

Quote:

Subd. 7.

[Repealed, 1994 c 636 art 3 s 46]

Subd. 8.Report not required.

If the proposed transferee presents a valid transferee permit issued under section 624.7131 or a valid permit to carry issued under section 624.714, the transferor need not file a transfer report.

[nobody05]

sounds like the u.s goverment right there. an entire page that could be said in a couple sentences.

[gopher_nation]

Could a person just drive to SD and buy one without the permit.

[carpshooterdeluxe]

Could a person just drive to SD and buy one without the permit.

Every gun shop I've ever been to in SD has notices posted that for handgun or evil black gun purchases MN residents must have their ptp or ptc.

[md79]

http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/takeAction.html ruger has a letter all you do is enter your info and submit

[lawdog]

http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/takeAction.html ruger has a letter all you do is enter your info and submit

Done

[anyfishwilldo]

[live4chrome]

Hey, looks like even a 10/22 would fall under this ban, as well as my 70 year old m1 this bill se carbines and garand. This bill would ban way more than just black guns. Im off to order an ar ak and m1a platform rifles today

[hockeybc69]

Abot the last thing I am going to do right now is go spend a bunch of money on guns or accessories, in fear one or more of these drafted bills couold pass in some fashion... Then what are you going to do with your brand new purchase that you could be potentially restricted from even using, or worse yet even owning?

Ever since this craze started after Sandy Hook I have been more inclined to not buy anything, rather than go spend a buttload of money on guns.

If nothing passes, then I can hopefully go buy something I want down the road. If something passes, there are going to be a lot of really ticked off people because their 6 month old gun now cant see the light of day.

[Bureaucrat]

The fact that it's become mainstream to even question what our fellow citizens "need" is down right scary and pure communistic rhetoric.

Once we set a precedent that as long as enough of band together and think someone else should be limited in their freedoms, it'll eventually come back to hit you as well.

Maybe the masses will say:

-"You Shouldn't be allowed to have so much money"

-"You shouldn't be allowed to smoke"

-"You shouldn't be allowed to buy a 20 oz pop"

-"You shouldn't be allowed to be fat"

-"You shouldn't be allowed to drive a vehicle that gets less than 35 mpg"

-"You shouldn't be allowed to buy better health care than me"

-"You shouldn't be allowed to own hunting land"

-"We should ban sugar"

-"All people should exercise"

-"We should ban salt"

-"Why does anyone need alcohol"

-"Porn"

-"Meat"

-"Access to food shipped across the globe"

-"Why do people need such big homes"

Let's be careful about claiming dominion over one another. You may regret it when the mob starts claiming dominion over you.

Words I live by: I don't care what you do, just leave me alone.

PS. The AR wasn't even found in the school. He left it in the trunk.

[PopRocks]

I communicated my opposition to further restrictions on our 2nd ammendment rights to Rep Betty McCollum. I recieved a form reply letter in which she called myself, and I imagine alot of you "extremists". Specifically, she stated her vilgilant opposition to the NRA's extremist agenda. I take offense to her assertion that somebody who demands our constitution be honored is extreme. With people like this making our laws, the threat to our rights is undoutedly under duress.