Tournament Results

[NTW]

Wow some strong feelings!

I follow the golden rule. Since tourneys are more than a day on the water to me, I like to avoid those competing when I am not involved.

I don't think any less of anyone who thinks and does differently.

To those who prefer to fish for food, relaxation or otherwise...good for you.

[NTW]

Wow some strong feelings!

I follow the golden rule. Since tourneys are more than a day on the water to me, I like to avoid those competing when I am not involved.

I don't think any less of anyone who thinks and does differently.

To those who prefer to fish for food, relaxation or otherwise...good for you.

[Fever]

Doufish,

What do you mean about the Fed tournament people threatining to call the DNR? I was under the impression that any tournament / league that remains under 15 boats doesnt not have to pull a permit or have some type of liability insurance. Am I wrong in that? That local club with 10 or whatever boats should have legally been able to fish that saturday regardless of what the Sunday tournament people wanted. I may be wrong and if so, let me know. My brother and I have been putting on a small 13-15 boat fathers day tournament for the past few years and haven't pulled a permit because I thought if it were kept small - no need. If I need one.... whoops.

We just throw a marker bouy if were on a spot and other people in the tournament stay one long cast away from that marker bouy - As far as the respecting space and spots and all - I just didn't like the guy telling another fisherman to not let me through. I was planning on giving the guy that space anyway. Didn't like it but what the hey... I had nothing to win or lose. I had caught a bunch of fish there already and learned what I felt I wanted to learn for when my league fishes there. So I went on my way to another spot. No biggy. Still - he didn't have to say that is all.

[TonkaBass]

There are tournys where you still need a permit even though you have less than 25 boats. To those who get all bent out of shape about tournaments please stop generalizing the tournament fishermen as arrogant a holes. I work hard and NEVER get cocky and rude to others. Yes, there are some tourney guys who need it upside the head, but there are plenty of other people who use lakes that are in the same league.

[hockeybc69]

I use my same personal rules when I am fishing for fun or fishing in a tournament.....

Treat others as I expect to be treated. Pretty simple.

[bassin]

Thats true about the Fed tourney turning in the other club that wanted to fish on saturday. The Fed club had a member that was part of the Hennipen county water patrol. He looked up the info and saw that the smaller club didnt have a permit and they called the director and threatened them. He said that Hennipen county has differnt rules and it doesnt matter how small the tourney, you still need a permit. They origanlly called and asked them to move or cancel their saturday tournament becasue they didnt want "their" fish beat up for their tournament on Sunday. When the director said no way they called back with the water patrol threat.

[Duffman]

Griz, I think you're missing the point. We are talking about showing people respect when they have money onn the line.

[blakjack23]

Thats true about the Fed tourney turning in the other club that wanted to fish on saturday. The Fed club had a member that was part of the Hennipen county water patrol. He looked up the info and saw that the smaller club didnt have a permit and they called the director and threatened them. He said that Hennipen county has differnt rules and it doesnt matter how small the tourney, you still need a permit. They origanlly called and asked them to move or cancel their saturday tournament becasue they didnt want "their" fish beat up for their tournament on Sunday. When the director said no way they called back with the water patrol threat.

Thats pretty much how it went down. It was a pretty sad move by a group that is suppose to be sportsmen.

[TonkaBass]

Thats true about the Fed tourney turning in the other club that wanted to fish on saturday. The Fed club had a member that was part of the Hennipen county water patrol. He looked up the info and saw that the smaller club didnt have a permit and they called the director and threatened them. He said that Hennipen county has differnt rules and it doesnt matter how small the tourney, you still need a permit. They origanlly called and asked them to move or cancel their saturday tournament becasue they didnt want "their" fish beat up for their tournament on Sunday. When the director said no way they called back with the water patrol threat.

No wonder people have a bad taste in their mouths about tournament fishermen. Sounds to me like they were trying to pull the old playground bully move. They should have been reported to BASS headquarters and penalized for that kind of garbage.

[Fever]

Wow... To cancel a small 10 boat club deal on a saturday so a larger Fed tournament could benefit the next day so: "their fish not getting beat up" That is a good one. It is true though that usually a small pecentage of bad apples can leave a bad taste in one's mouth even if vast majority are good.

The golden rule is called golden for a reason...

[cruiseforever]

I think what they are saying, is as tournament anglers we give the respect to other tournament anglers if we are not in the event. Im not expecting or asking non-tournament anglers to unless I am fishing for $100,000 and I am not doing that anytime soon...

??? I will not be rude unless if there is more money. Statemnets like that reinforce the views that some people have of fishing tournaments.

[TonkaBass]

Never did Cecil say he would be rude for money. He simply said that he would expect people to not fish the spots he wanted to if he had $100k riding on it. I would expect people to show me that respect if I had $1k riding on it, and I would do the same for them.

As many have stated in previous posts... obey the golden rule and everyone is happy.

[hockeybc69]

I completely disagree.

So non-tourney guys are basically expected by some tournament people to layoff the good spots or to give up the good spots if someone shows up that looks like they might be a tournament fisherman???

I cant believe I am hearing that.... crazy.

Thats simply a recipe for people to form bad opinions against tournaments. wow..........

If you are a tournament fisherman, and feel holier than thou, then you should have some skillz to be able to go to a different spot and find some fish, rather than expecting someone to give up the spot they are fishing.

I must have read a different golden rule somewhere along the line.........

[corncob]

So lets see if I got this right?....Tournament fisherman should be allowing non tournament folks equal fishing rights UNLESS there is a large amount of prize money on the line?......[PoorWordUsage]!.....Then all bets are off and non tourny fisherman better get out of the way for the very impotent tournament hero?....What a sack of manure!......Everyone has the same on the water rights , PERIOD!.....No wonder tournament anglers are getting a bad rap, because, they have earned it, and deserve a good kick in the arse!

[Superduty]

Hockey and Griz,

I think you are taking some comments out of context. The original issues were between two tournament fisherman. One was in the event that day and the other was out on the same lake prefishing for an upcoming event. Only you are talking about nontournament anglers.

[TonkaBass]

Never gonna get through to you guys. Sounds to me that you are just trying to stir the pot, and I'm not part of it anymmore.

[TonkaBass]

To help it make sense where I'm coming from... a guy fishing a tourament find a school of big ones and another guy who isn't fishing it sees him catching them and moves in on him and starts burning the same fish. Yeah, the lake is public, but I would say the guy who moved inn on the other guy while he was fishing is very rude. Once that guy leaves, go nuts! But show some respect.

[Craigums]

[varmithtr]

Griz, I think you're missing the point. We are talking about showing people respect when they have money onn the line. Do golfers whine when they shut down a course for a pga event? No... frankly I think as a tournament angler I put up with more harrassment from weekend fisherme who get upset at the sight of a bass boat on the lake. I have yet to talk to a minesota guy who's upset about other fishermen on the spot they wanted to fish.

A good laugh for the morning anyway!! I think perhaps a better analogy would be this: Our local fat man's hockey league is having our annual golf tourney, and even though the course can hold 100 people at a time, we want our 26 to have the run of the course, and the rest of the people that are there should stay our of our way.

PGA. Priceless.

[hockeybc69]

I am in agreement with that Tonka. 100%

Not stirring anything from this end. Just trying to understand the logic.

Obviously I misunderstood the point.

The way one of your posts was worded, it sounded to me like you were saying if money was on the line, people better get out of your way.

Bottom line, a tournament angler has no more rights than a guy out fishing for fun. Are we all in agreement on that? If not, then there is a problem.

The golden rule - treat others as you wish to be treated.

[Fever]

Well, not to get too technical but more so to clairify. Even though I am a league fisherman and an occational tournament fisherman; on that day I think I would have been catagorized as a non tournament fisherman as I actually wasn't in that tournament on that lake at that time. I'm not surprised at all that there are strong opinions on this matter - as in the actual moment on the lake when I heard the fisherman in a boat about 150 feet away from me say to the other guy; "The guy in the grey boat over there is a "regulation" angler and not in the tournament. I think the tournament could be won right in this area. Don't let him in here". I got a little upset. I guess probably because even if I were in a tournament, I just would never say that to another guy about a fisherman that wasn't in my tournament. I just wanted to clear up what the whole post was about. Superduty was really close in his previous post though. I hope that when I said something to him he got the point and learned something from it.

[TonkaBass]

I am in agreement with that Tonka. 100%

Not stirring anything from this end. Just trying to understand the logic.

Obviously I misunderstood the point.

The way one of your posts was worded, it sounded to me like you were saying if money was on the line, people better get out of your way.

Bottom line, a tournament angler has no more rights than a guy out fishing for fun. Are we all in agreement on that? If not, then there is a problem.

The golden rule - treat others as you wish to be treated.

I agree with that 100%

[bryguy247]

Don't Stereo type anyone period! Every single angler is different than the next, Tourney fishing or sport fishing. So I really don't see the need to get all worked up over one person's opinion to the next.

Perfect example: I was fishing a BASS event on the Mississippi out of LaCrosse a year ago, it got to be about mid morning and we only had two keepers in the boat. Tough start to the day when Money was on the line. The wind was nasty that day, and there were 2 guys in a boat (sport fishing) waving there hands for us to come to them. So, we stop to see what was going on. There motor didn't run and the waves and current were pushing them all over. They looked very scared. So we spent 45 minutes pulling them to the nearest landing, just becuase I wouldn't have wanted to be in there situation.

Would another angler that weekend in the event stopped to help? Maybe? Maybe not? All that matters is that we did. So keep in mind there is good and bad, right and wrong in any situation. Period!

[oleballcoach]

I think that it is all about communication. When I am fishing a shoreline and obviously working one way than don't cut in front of me without asking. Same thing if in a tourney or if you are out for fun. Don't fish the spot that I am on unless you ask. I am a college student and I am fine with sharing my food with my roommates so long as they ask first. A tourney guy does not need to throw into this conversation that he is fishing for some money or talk down to me because he is fishing in a tourney. Also he could fish behind me and do alright because I do a good job of leaving fish for other anglers.

One of the things that I try to do as an angler is get more people involved in the outdoors. I would say that keeping people happy fishing will lead to better fishing and better conservation making the fishing better overall.

I try and hopefully will continue to try to do this as I fish more weekend and club events that my real aim is to introduce a new person to our sport and not turn them off of our sport due to my conduct on the water. That IMO is what is in the best interest of our sport and will lead to better fishing.

[Doufish2]

As a bass fishermen, if I am fishing a shoreline and see a boat anchored or drifting outside of where I want to fish, I always ask them if they mind if I go between them and the shore. I they don't mind, I fish it, if they would rather me not, I will go out and around them.

They key to this whole argument is that we, as bass anglers need respect other anglers on the lake and the respect needs to be mutual.

The tournement thing with the Fed club pulling rank is [PoorWordUsage]. Not sure how many boats they had, but to do something like that to a small club tourney, to me, is just not right.