No case law ? Full metal jacket bullets ? Dangerous Mission ?

[Musky Buck]

Got a hot 1 here, my boss is sending me to do a run in very heavy gang infested area, I'm set to get my carry/conceal permit soon but I have 1 more run to make. I'm thankful I'm alive today to type this, I have a M 1 with 5 clips currently stocked with full metal jacket rounds from WW2, are those legal rounds ? If not I have other options of bullets, do I need to case this heater or can I have it somewhat at the ready with clips in the immediate area. My plan is to case it until I get to the danger zone, then uncase it and have a clip in hand as I drive down death alley. I certainly do not intend to use it, not a chance, but I definitely need protection as the last run was nearly my last run, we certainly drive in around noon, not after dark, but hopefully you get my drift, my pistol will be left at home and a will to my family, yes I need a new line of work.

[LightningBG]

Where the heck are you "running" to? Baghdad?

[TooTallTom]

Two points:

1. IIRC, the "no case" law is basically for people going out into or coming back from the field hunting. It does not apply to people making runs for work. It also doesn't apply in the more heavily-populated areas of Minnesota. I'm guessing that, if gangs are a problem, the area you're going to doesn't allow uncased firearms at all.

2. If the area you're going to really is as terrible as your impression of it is, I would think that a great way to get shot is to drive through with a gun on the seat of your car.

Can you take someone else with you? (Maybe your boss? ) Is it possible to get a police escort? Can you have someone from the place you're making your delivery to meet you outside? What about bringing a can of pepper spray? I know it's not as comforting, but it's much less likely to be noticed/ set the locals (and their guns) off/ get you arrested...

How dumb would you feel getting arrested/ shot/ killed because you brought a gun into an unsafe area openly and people started shooting pre-emptively? Think really hard about whether it's worth the risk. Many, many people make it through that same area every day without serious issues, and you can too.

[LightningBG]

I must live a sheltered life or something. I didn't even know there were any real gangs in MN. I just googled it and seems like there are a bunch. They must not be to prevalent though. There isn't a place in the metro I wouldn't go (previously). And I still wouldn't know where to avoid now. Just get a lowered hoopty and try to fit in. I saw this on 694 a couple days ago. rollin on dubs.

[LightningBG]

Or paint a book on the side of your delivery vehicle, that should make them scatter.

[Musky Buck]

Well Tootall do you want to ride shotgun ? I'm just saying most runs are ok, but my last run should've been my last run, how do you pepper spray 10-12 guys that are all packing heat I would guess ? I'm not openly bringing the gun out, but I want one available as I don't want to be an initiation victim or victim. There's only 315 gangs registered in MN. Unclear about a great way to get shot is to drive through with a heater on the seat of my truck, they can't see it and I was the only one likely without one in that alley area last time. My boss wants no part of this mission, he used to drive it and warned me to be very vigilant, get in unload, get out asap. Thanks though for the updates and they sorta left me alone this long I doubt I have to worry this much but I care more now that I'm married with children and these gangs care less and can communicate easily with cells. I'll be alright.

[Musky Buck]

Lightning take a stroll down henepin avenue or east lake street at the wrong place wrong time and good luck.

[LightningBG]

I've spent too many nights on hennepin, but I always stayed to the west of Lyndale (uptown) if down south. I lived less than 1/2 block from hennepin, but that was in SE. North side is where I dont like ending up.

If it wasn't during the workday, I'd ride shotty for ya.

[SmilinBob]

I worked a a paramedic on the northside for 10 years and during the day you don't have too much to worry about, the typical undesirable element is sleeping then. If you are really worried about your safety you should get a taser, most people are much more intimidated by them because they know you are not really apt to shoot a gun at someone, but you can deploy the taser and shock them into next week with little to no recourse if you are in fear of great badily harm or death. I have seen crouds of thugs harass the police because of this exact mentality until the tasers get pulled and they dispurse like a puff of smoke because they know the cops won't hesitate to use them.

[TooTallTom]

Unclear about a great way to get shot is to drive through with a heater on the seat of my truck, they can't see it and I was the only one likely without one in that alley area last time.

What I meant was, if you're going through an area where people are on edge (Maybe they're worried about people driving through with guns, shooting the place up.) and you drive through with a gun which they happen to see, someone might be inclined to shoot you, and then sort out the whos whats and whys. That's my concern.

How big is your truck that someone can't see into it? And will the cab be secure enough that someone can't smash a window and grab the rifle they see laying there?

East Lake Street during the day isn't a huge deal, some parts just west of downtown can be. But, as was mentioned, during a weekday is pretty mild compared to a weekend night. That's usually when the silliness starts/ gets out of hand.

I guess if you're genuinely worried for your safety, maybe you can just tell your boss you're not going to do it. If he fires you, so be it. Did you say that last time was supposed to be the last time? Maybe "next time" will keep being the last time until you outright refuse to go? I'm just thinking out loud here...

Bob is right, though, a taser is a much better option than pepper spray. But I wouldn't go waving it in anyone's face. That's likely to [PoorWordUsage] someone off, and they might decide to prove a point.

[troutkingmaster]

Full metal jackets are not illegal. As to the rest of your plan it is not smart and illegal as hell. The "No case law" is void in cities over a certain population (2,500 I think, either way, MPLS is definitely over it).

All I will say to the rest of it is if someone is serious about doing harm to you, a "semi ready weapon" and a clip in your hand will take way too long to turn in to something you can use to defend yourself.

Also keep in mind the duty to retreat clause currently in MN, if you use deadly force to defend yourself, you must prove to a prosecutor/jury that using your weapon was the last resort. Think about being on a witness stand "I know had a loaded clip in my hand and an illegal uncased weapon next to me but I didn't want any trouble" And then followed up by 5 members of the gang-bangers family testifying how the poor young guy was just turning his life around.

Any good permit to carry instructor will tell you that if you only carry a gun where you think you will need it, you should not be going to that place.

[Archerysniper]

I don't know were your driving but after 10 years of driving through mpls and it's suburbs their is really no place that I'm afraid of that is with driving and working were I have to run back to camden and get parts from the shop at 2am. I do have my carry permit and carry when I know I'm in those areas but the only time I have pulled my gun was in my home town with a crazy guy trying to get into my truck with my wife and my newborn daughter and it ended really fast once he opened the door and saw the XD on his nose.

[Tator2k]

From speaking to various law enforcement folks, our permit to carry specifically states 'Permit to carry a pistol.' They all have made it very clear that if they saw someone openly carrying a shotgun or rifle in their car they would have a huge problem with it. And you would have a bad day.

[Farley]

Lightning take a stroll down henepin avenue or east lake street at the wrong place wrong time and good luck.

I've stumbled down both @ 2 a.m. As well as north mpls. For the most part you keep to yours, they keep to theirs. I've never been hassled (knock on wood). It definetly helps to not be alone. Walked into the lake street perkins once at 3a.m. and asked if they were shooting a rap video.

[Powerstroke]

I grew up in North Minneapolis and my parents still live there. There is no where in Minneapolis or any other city for that matter that is that unsafe to work in. Anyone who thinks they are going to be an initiation victim knows little about the neighborhoods or the lifestyle.

I'm not trying to hammer on you, but your fears sound unreasonable, especially to the point of considering driving through the neighborhood with an M1 and 5 "clips" (its a magazine). As someone who has been jumped and robbed on the northside I still would have no reservations about going there. I spent several days working on tornado damage this summer with all of my expensive gear in my truck and not one did anyone even look at me.

Since you haven't said what you're delivering, unless you're driving a truck that says "Poorly secured TV's and jewelry on board, Please rob me" no one is going to pay any attention to you.

Ride shotgun?!? I'll show you a short cut.

[TooTallTom]

Musky Buck, how did things turn out for you?

[live4chrome]

I'm not trying to hammer on you, but your fears sound unreasonable, especially to the point of considering driving through the neighborhood with an M1 and 5 "clips" (its a magazine).

Agreed, however M1's do use enblock clips, not magazines. That Garand is not going to do you any good when you are in your car. its just not maneuverable enough. I have carried Garand through quite a few tactical WWII re-enactments and I can tell you, once you get indoors you are better off with a carbine. I can't imagine trying to shoulder a full length battle rifle in a car. I think carrying this would put you in more danger than not carrying anything at all.

you need a handgun, which is fast and easy to pull, or a semi PDW such as an MP5k or M4 style.

if you really intend to carry it, loose the FMJ rounds, they will pack a punch, but go right through someone, potentialy hitting an innocent bystander. if you intend to use a weapon for self defense do it right and use a hollow point or expanding bullet,

[RumRiverRat]

[Musky Buck]

All is well, no issues on that run. No forecastable runs in the near future. Some of you experts, it only takes 1 moment to have your life changed as 2 former friends with titanium skulls will tell you. I know the odds are very low, but I wasn't going to be put in a place where I had no options. All is well, may have been too hot for the boys at high noon. Now it's up to the newest gang land, east of Bemidji for a few days of fishing.

[pulleye16]

OMG...this is the funniest thing I've read all day. This thread was for entertainemt purposes only right?

You must either deliver for brinks or popeyes to be that nervous!

[nofishfisherman]

Glad all went well for you. I'm really curious as to where you actually had to go and what you were delivering that was so valuable.

The one issue I have with the conceal and carry law is that I think it gives people a little bit of false security. There are for sure situations where it can help protect you as was described by someone above. But if the scenario Musky Buck was worried about actually came true a conceal and carry permit would likely not have helped much. If you run into 12 guys who are all carrying and you pull your gun you aren't getting out alive. The best you can do is take a few of them with you.

Now put 12 guys carrying against a guy in a truck with an unloaded but accessible rifle. Its game over even before you shoulder your rifle.

The absolute best thing you can do if you are nervous is to be extra vigilant and think ahead. If you see a group of guys that looks sketchy then change your route, drive around them. If guys are hanging around your delivery stop that you don't like then keep on driving or let the customer know and have them come out and meet you.

I'm really curious to know what the true facts of your original run in are that got you this nervous. I've been in St. Paul and Minneapolis the last 12 years. I've never avoided anywhere because I was nervous of gangs. 99% of gang violence is against other gangs. And random guy making a delivery mid day has almost nothing to worry about. Even a thug isn't dumb enough to start trouble in broad daylight like that.