New retractable roof stadium in Arden Hills

[james_walleye]

Somewhere on another site there is discussion about a vikings stadium where everyone on there is totally against building a stadium. On that site lmit is saying "what's wrong with you vikings fans, don't you have any loyalty. All these other cities have put stadiums up with 75% coming from public funding. Why can't you people get that done". But that's lmit for you. Ahhhh.... the transparency........

[jwmiller33]

If it as you say and the new stadium will not help the product on the field, why do some fans want a new stadium, much less help pay for it?

Why do the Vikes want a new stadium that they will only partially pay for?

I realize that the dome is no more and something needs to be done but this discussion has been going on for yrs.

I guess one way I did not initially think of for benefiting the team on the field is the attractiveness to potential free agents. Some free agents might be detered from joining the Vikings in the past b/c of the unattractiveness of the dome, whereas a new stadium is more attractive to potential free agents.... However, I don't think a new stadium is going to be a magnet to free agents as there are a whole bunch of teams with new stadiums out there. Additionaly, you still have to free up the cap space to get the money to spend on them in the first place

[jwmiller33]

On that site lmit is saying "what's wrong with you vikings fans, don't you have any loyalty. All these other cities have put stadiums up with 75% coming from public funding. Why can't you people get that done". But that's lmit for you. Ahhhh.... the transparency........

Really??? Are you sure it is LMIT? Whoever it is sounds like they are using some of the stats from one of my earlier posts....

[LMITOUT]

Somewhere on another site there is discussion about a vikings stadium where everyone on there is totally against building a stadium. On that site lmit is saying "what's wrong with you vikings fans, don't you have any loyalty. All these other cities have put stadiums up with 75% coming from public funding. Why can't you people get that done". But that's lmit for you. Ahhhh.... the transparency........

Ummm, no.

Nice try.

[james_walleye]

Oh I guarantee that if the sentiment was different on this HSOforum, your stance in here would be different. Everyone here knows how you roll......

[LMITOUT]

Sorry Jimmy, but I have no idea what you're talking about.

And no, my opinion on this matter wouldn't change.

Paranoid much?

[B. Amish]

If it as you say and the new stadium will not help the product on the field, why do some fans want a new stadium, much less help pay for it?

Why do the Vikes want a new stadium that they will only partially pay for?

I realize that the dome is no more and something needs to be done but this discussion has been going on for yrs.

1. because the vikings blackmail the fans and say, 'if we don't get a stadium, we're leaving'

2. because they make more money.

[james_walleye]

Of course you don't lmit. You will argue the other side of the coin of any argument a Viking fan brings up. Happens on any topic brought up......your gig is transparent.

[jwmiller33]

Easy now... Let's keep it on topic and not get personal

[LMITOUT]

Of course you don't lmit. You will argue the other side of the coin of any argument a Viking fan brings up. Happens on any topic brought up......your gig is transparent.

Maybe it just happens that the Viking fan is wrong most of the time, with most of the time being the last 50 years.

I honestly didn't say anything to the contrary on a different HSOforum, so either someone is using a name similar to mine or you're just grasping a little too much.

[james_walleye]

It's not personal Jake, limit and I always take friendly jabs at each other Reguarding the vikings.

[james_walleye]

I know you didn't, it just seems right up your alley to do so......that's where I was going with it.

[jwmiller33]

there is always someone who plays devils advocate... on this HSOforum, that someone is LMIT

[jwmiller33]

Hey LMIT, after which superbowl did you jump on the Packer bandwagon?

[rundrave]

I'll take 12,000 lakes over a superbowl trophy any day of the week and twice on sundays. MN has more shoreline than California, Florida and Hawaii combined. It's the little things in life....

and yet our boat ramps and public walk in areas are full of blue plates. (nothing against out of staters I appreciate all of them and what they do for our small towns)

but maybe the line limit, not being able to fish year round, state income tax to go with your 10,000 fees...err taxes makes Mn better

[jwmiller33]

ignorance is bliss

[FutbolGuru]

This deal needs to get done. It'd create much needed jobs, improve transportation for the north metro (which will be needed in the near future regardless), transform a rundown polluted area near the twin cities into an asset, and keep the state's most profitable professional sports franchise in town.

Bottom line - I pay taxes for a lot of things I don't use - it's the way the world works - so stop whinning about it. If taxpayer funds are needed to keep the Vikings here, so be it. MN wins if this deal passes.

[DR_FISH]

The only team I care about moving is the wolves, and I want them to move.

[jwmiller33]

it must be so much fun sitting back and counting all your tax free money while fishing 2 lines in March while listening to the Sioux Falls Stampede game on the radio

[rundrave]

actually in March I would still be ice fishing so its 4 lines and Walleyes would still be fair game, and I dont like hockey

With the vikes, twolves, and twins history you would be a fool to use pro sports as your jusification to live in Mn. I root for them all, but if the fishing is so great, wouldnt you be listening to them on radio to?

Listen, I am not saying one is better than the other, but I have lived in both, I am not sure you can say that. I spent a few years in the cities, I know what its all about, I have taken part in the yearly traditions like the May fishing opener etc and the die hard ice fisherman. Its a big part of what Mn outdoors is about, my point is dont knock the Dakotas if you havent vested any time in knowing what they offer for outdoors, it might just surprise you.

I chose to move back here for several reason, and most dont pertain to the original posters thread.

[zamboni]

EVERY pro athlete, no matter where they live have to pay income tax to the state, if they play in a game here. That is a fact, and it brings in millions upon millions into the state every year.

I worked at Avis at the Kansas City airport, and at the MSP airport. I was working the last time the Final 4 was here, if you don't think hosting sporting events brings money into the state I have some land to sell you.

[zepman]

This deal needs to get done. It'd create much needed jobs, improve transportation for the north metro (which will be needed in the near future regardless), transform a rundown polluted area near the twin cities into an asset, and keep the state's most profitable professional sports franchise in town.

Bottom line - I pay taxes for a lot of things I don't use - it's the way the world works - so stop whinning about it. If taxpayer funds are needed to keep the Vikings here, so be it. MN wins if this deal passes.

+1

[Steve Foss]

Face it, this is the only way stadiums get built. Or would you prefer we be the one state with no pro sports teams whatsoever?

Uh. Wait, what?

[LMITOUT]

Forget it Steve. I've determined that when the Viking horn blows the rubes run to the kool-aid dish faster than Pavlov's dog.

[PurpleFloyd]

I believe both New England and Pittsburgh both built their stadiums without their states paying for any of the costs except maybe PILOT contributions.

The real point on this whole stadium debate that never gets answered is how you can have 3 teams(Vikings,Twinkies,Football Gophers{and even the twolves for the first few years}) playing in a 50 million dollar stadium that has has the mortgage retired for years and none of the teams can supposedly make money, but now we are looking at financing a 1.2 Billion dollar Vikings only stadium, a 300 Million dollar Twins stadium, a 250 million dollar Gophers stadium and the Twolves want their facility renovated too and somehow with approx. 1.8 billion in new facilities they will be able to pay off those loans and make appreciably more money too while they seat the same number of people.

So far there has never been a report issued that demonstrates how the economics of the stadium work out to get to break even but one thing is for sure- the prices are going to have to be appreciably higher.