Farve Says What?

[Shack]

I guess if I was an NFL HoF QB, over 40, still playing "good", I would start acting like a pansy also when it came to NFL Training Camp and the on top of that, an NFL season with guns a blazing for my mid area and below. All this when realistically I could be sitting at my private ranch watching the same game(s) under the warm blanket of retirement. 40 years is getting pretty old.

Living commune style for a month or sitting at home and working out on my own schedule before going out to be the target of ever defensive lineman I play?

The more I think of it Brett Favre is the being a pansy, yet being a "real man" at the same time.

[Scott K]

He needs to get to practice to practice with the TEAM! He is only hurting the TEAM by not being there. Cut his butt, and tell him we dont want you here!

Although, I will give him a pass, unitl his DR clears him to come back.

[zepman]

Well, IMO...he's earned the right to show up whenever he wants. I said the same thing last year at this time. We're not talking about high school or college two-a-days...this is at the professional level. Football, or any professional sport, is not the only place where the most tenured...highly successful guys/gals get shown special attention and get to write some of their own rules. Take any top-tier, hall of fame sales rep from any company in the USA and they will receive similiar benefits...maybe more.

Most 40 year olds have a hard time getting out of bed in the morning...this guy is trying to PREPARE himself for a 16 game marathon in which each team will be trying to rip his head off...literally. At 285 or so straight starts in the NFL...I think he knows how to prepare himself to COMPLETE an entire season....not show up for football 101 in Mankato.

[Big Dave2]

I'LL TELL YA WHY HE NEEDS TO DO IT!

Because his pansy rear doesn't have enough respect for the rest of his team to show up in training camp. So now everyone has to wonder if he is playing or not.

Yeah I said it ^^

You think Hutchinson and Allen like being there? How about Winfield and AP?

Guess who is there sweating the arses off though?

I like his game and will be happy to see him in purple, but gimme a break on the coddling.

Why so much jeleousy over Brett Favre?

I doubt you would call Brett Favre a pansy to his face.

Being a 40+ year old QB in the NFL that has done what he has is the equivelent of being a 90 year old guru of whatever it is that you do for a living. If you are still alive and working at 90 and ever make it to Guru status in your industry, you will be allowed a good amount of latitude and you will hapily take advantage of it.

Just remember, he is in a situation where the team needs him a whole lot more than he needs the team. I'm pretty sure he doesn't need any more money to survive.

[Shack]

Dave 50%-80% of what we post on HSO we would not say in the face of the regular Joe we are posting to.

From a fixed point of "looking in/out" to these football issues us regular Joe's do, I can see & respect the point Dtro, 4WE and others are making. For me after last season, it's just too much fun to ignore. Ahhhh, to be Vike's fan right now. History, yet silliness is being made and most likely will never be repeated.

I will say it, like Dtro came forth with his statement:

I am jealous with a capital J when it comes to Farve and the hoopla going on.

Just glad to be connected as a Vike's fan and living this situation. This could be the most limelight us true Vikings fans will ever have. I am even talking winning the Superbowl. For example, Green Bay. . Rogers who? I can not even seem to recall Fave's retirement thoughts before he was with the Jets. To true football fans Farve will be remembered as a QB who was the best. To everyone else, what's going on now with the Vike's will stick with them. This IMO is the ultimate score of the MN & Wis. football thing e ever. If you are into that. Just imagine if we did get to the Superbowl and gosh sakes won. LOL! How could that be topped?

Only wish Moss was still here lol.

[Farley]

He should be in camp because his last play as a viking, as of right now, was an interception that cost us the game, not to mention a trip to the Super Bowl. Even Sage could have done that. I dont care how old you are or what you've acomplished, it's a team. On the news, the players say that "we dont think about it, or are just focused on what they have to do", but you can bet that there is a part of them that is kinda p.o.'d that he's not there sweating with them. It's like being on a team where the coaches kid is QB. He dont have to show up to camp?? B.S. Show up without any drama and show the other players you're commited to getting them all the way there.

Super Bowl??? I'll bet right now, even if Farve plays, we dont even make it, let alone win one. Dont forget the other 31 teams who dont have to deal with this kind of [PoorWordUsage] and ARE focused right now.

[nate larson]

Did you guys see the lattest "news" going around on the internet? Who knows if it's true or not.

--Recently Retired, or Not, Quarterback on the Precipice of a Sex Scandal

Yesterday, the rumor was that Brett Favre was retiring; today the rumor is that Brett Favre is about to be involved in a sex scandal with a former employee of his former team, the New York Jets, named Jenn Sterger.

News broke today that Brett Favre allegedly used to text naked pictures of himself to Sterger; at least one of these pictures showed Favre sitting naked, except for crocs on his feet.--

[TR21HP]

Every team is dealing with this kind of drama on a day to day basis all year. Quarterbacks have always been given a certain amount of latitude on the field and off. As far as the players resenting Farve. Most could care less if he is there or not"sweating with them". This is not high school or college with the rah, rah atmosphere, this is a business and most, if not all, players treat it as such. The only thing players care about is Farve on the field for the regular season winning games.Farve realizes this is his only chance to get a ring again and if the body is willing he will be playing. He, or the team can't be risking a number of losses in the beginning of the season to jeopardize their chances of getting into the playoffs and possible Superbowl so if he can play he will. This is just my opinion but it is based on myself playing the pro game, albeit a long time ago.

[Farley]

Drew Brees is in camp.

It will take more than a "Pants on the Ground" song in the locker room week 1 to beat the Saints.

Thats if "Brent" even shows up for week 1.

[Shack]

Did you guys see the lattest "news" going around on the internet? Who knows if it's true or not.

--Recently Retired, or Not, Quarterback on the Precipice of a Sex Scandal

Yesterday, the rumor was that Brett Favre was retiring; today the rumor is that Brett Favre is about to be involved in a sex scandal with a former employee of his former team, the New York Jets, named Jenn Sterger.

News broke today that Brett Favre allegedly used to text naked pictures of himself to Sterger; at least one of these pictures showed Favre sitting naked, except for crocs on his feet.--

I call bunk one this one. The website that broke this is "Not", I repeat "Not" credible what so ever. No facts, factual info, and if you read it it sounds pretty lame. No ones even has these alleged pictures beside this girl who claims to have them on her computer for looking at for when her & her friends want a laugh.

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these pictures showed Favre sitting naked, except for crocs on his feet.

They never showed Farve, they showed a guy from the mid area down that was wearing a watch similar to one Brett owns.

Just very funny this story would break during this Favre hoopla? It seems as if the Media and then Farve are not the only ones making a buck off this situation.

[DTro]

I also heard this morning that he has an open invite as an analyst for MNF.

Let's see....making millions and taking hits from Mack Trucks OR making millions and talking about others getting the bejeezus knocked out of them.

Pretty easy choice

[Scott K]

I dont think Favre needs to be in camp for himself to learn, it is for his team mates, center, linemen, receivers, hand off to running backs, you know, team stuff. Maybe Favre wont benefit from it much, but the team would. Who knows, maybe if Favre was to get his butt in to camp to practice with the team, maybe Peterson would have had a couple less fumbles, maybe a few less int, because the receivers had the timing down better, maybe the linemen could figure out better where Brett's pocket, comfort zone is, and he would have taken less hits.

[zepman]

And by week 12 he's physically done...not a good recipe to advance in the play-offs.

[LMITOUT]

I love it! 9 in the box!!

The best part of putting 9 in the box against Peterson......you can defend against T-Jack's six yard shoestring passes too!

"Hey coach, don't you think we should put somebody deep on defense?"

"Nope, just on punts."

[Nate McVey]

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He needs to get to practice to practice with the TEAM! He is only hurting the TEAM by not being there. Cut his butt, and tell him we dont want you here!

Just like Green Bay did.....didn't want to try out for his job after his "retirement" cause he thought he was better than Rodgers and "deserved" to be the QB. I'm sure he thought he could skip camp to cause he's Brent Favre and no one would care, but the Pack told him to hit the bricks! I for one am glad the Pack cut him and ushered in Mr. Rodgers Neighborhood. Put Favre in the same category as TO, Haynesworth and all the other selfish SOB's in the NFL.............GET OUT AND DO YOUR JOB WITH YOUR TEAMMATES.........that's what you're being paid to do!

[MuleShack]

Just like Green Bay did.....didn't want to try out for his job after his "retirement" cause he thought he was better than Rodgers and "deserved" to be the QB. I'm sure he thought he could skip camp to cause he's Brent Favre and no one would care, but the Pack told him to hit the bricks! I for one am glad the Pack cut him and ushered in Mr. Rodgers Neighborhood. Put Favre in the same category as TO, Haynesworth and all the other selfish SOB's in the NFL.............GET OUT AND DO YOUR JOB WITH YOUR TEAMMATES.........that's what you're being paid to do!

As time goes by, I'm starting to lean in this direction....

Funny, he can practice and coach with a high school team, but he couldn't be doing the same thing in with the organization that is writing his pay checks? He could still be "AT" camp and coach, mentor, throw passes what ever...just because you cant use the ankle at 100% yet. There is no I in Team, but apparently there is one in FavIre.

[harvey lee]

But, he can get a team playing well together. Who in football has had more late game comebacks?

I agree he could practice but he is Brett Farve. Brett is a leader on the field and it works.

Go Vikes.

[Steve Foss]

Funny, he can practice and coach with a high school team, but he couldn't be doing the same thing in with the organization that is writing his pay checks? He could still be "AT" camp and coach, mentor, throw passes what ever...just because you cant use the ankle at 100% yet.

That's how I've been looking at it, too.

[Shack]

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He needs to get to practice to practice with the TEAM! He is only hurting the TEAM by not being there. Cut his butt, and tell him we dont want you here!

Put Favre in the same category as TO, Haynesworth and all the other selfish SOB's in the NFL.............GET OUT AND DO YOUR JOB WITH YOUR TEAMMATES.........that's what you're being paid to do!

Originally Posted By: MuleShack

Funny, he can practice and coach with a high school team, but he couldn't be doing the same thing in with the organization that is writing his pay checks? He could still be "AT" camp and coach, mentor, throw passes what ever...just because you cant use the ankle at 100% yet.

Now we're talking if Favre did not have a legitimate ankle issue, correct? If he did not I can see the point but still feel nothing can, would, or should be done other than what the Vike's organization, Favre, and what is written in his contract and of course NFL rules feels is best. . I have not heard anything about Goodell "looking into" any matter involving a league violation. In fact, IMO when you earn the respect enough of the current Commissioner:

Originally Posted By: Ed Werder, ESPN

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said Wednesday during a visit to Ravens camp that he was taking a "wait and hear" approach to the latest twist in the Favre saga.

"We haven't heard from Brett, so we're all reacting to media reports," Goodell said. "So I think I'd wait and hear what Brett has to say."

Goodell said that Favre is "great for our game," but wanted the three-time NFL MVP to make the best decision for himself, not the NFL.

"I think we all love to see him play, but we want him to do what's best for him at the end of the day," Goodell said.

To have him even blow off the training camp thing all together, well, yada~yada~yada~ I do not see Goodell all up in arms about him not being at TC, I figure why should I then? If it was an issue or setting a bad precedence, I think more than just, I guess, in here would be talking about it .

Requiring Brett Favre to be at camp for the "Good of The Team" in a situation were any other player would not have to be is not right.

I agree with 4.W.E. on this:

Originally Posted By: 4.W.E.

Although, I will give him a pass, unitl his DR clears him to come back.

[solbes]

So he's not at camp. Did anyone give him even a 1% chance that he would show up for camp this year? I had it at a 0% chance. Ankle injury, shoulder, hang nail, sunburn whatever fits the occasion.

Should he show up? Maybe, but only for the good of some of his teamates. We knew what we were getting into last fall and I don't think there have been any surprises. Well except for being a whisker away from the Superbowl last year. If we have another great year again no one is going to remember OR care that Brent didn't show up at camp.

[Farley]

Do I dare reference "Band of Brothers" when someone gets shot and goes to the infirmary, they break out as soon as they can and rejoin the squad. Sure it's not required to be there, they could sit there in the imfirmary untill they are cleared, but it sure looks good to the rest of the guys when you show back up ready to get back out there. The guys who sit and milk it out, the rest of the squad looses respect for. Similar situation in my opinion.

Now I'm not saying that the rest of the team doesnt respect him, Like it was said before there probably isnt any ill feelings towards him, afterall it is just a buisness, not a world war (although some would argue that) but as the leader of the team, he should be there even if it's just working with T-Jack watching film. I think the other players would respect him even more than they already do, and that can ONLY be benificial(sp?).

Yes he is "Bret Farve", the greastest thing to happen to the NFL since the leather helmet, I think we need to get away from that mindset that once he gives in and plays that all our problems will be solved and he will take us on a magic journey to the promised land blah blah blah. What about next year? and the year after that? Brent is just a band-aid on a bigger problem. And it's all on Childress IMO. Should have not let C. Taylor go for nothin, could have traded up in the draft for a good first round QB a few years ago instead. Looks to me like the Viking Ship is sinking and our only hope is to land a Championship this year in hopes that we get a new stadium or it's off to L.A.

Sorry to be so negative but that's my opinion.

[Big Dave2]

Funny, he can practice and coach with a high school team, but he couldn't be doing the same thing in with the organization that is writing his pay checks? He could still be "AT" camp and coach, mentor, throw passes what ever...just because you cant use the ankle at 100% yet. There is no I in Team, but apparently there is one in FavIre.

How many of you guys who are 40 yrs old with a wife and kids at home travel to the opposite side of the country for 2-3 weeks just to PRACTICE your jobs? I know I wouldn't want to do it.

[Big Dave2]

Do I dare reference "Band of Brothers" when someone gets shot and goes to the infirmary, they break out as soon as they can and rejoin the squad. Sure it's not required to be there, they could sit there in the imfirmary untill they are cleared, but it sure looks good to the rest of the guys when you show back up ready to get back out there. The guys who sit and milk it out, the rest of the squad looses respect for. Similar situation in my opinion.

Holy Carp! It's a game, lighten up.

[LABS4ME]

WOW! Just read all 13 pages of the MN Vikes apologists! SAD!!!!!!!!!

To waffle and sell your soul based solely on one man's performce to lead you to the promise land... that truley is sad. Especially from a group of fans that openy despised the guy and NEVR had one good word about him or his acomplishments till he showed up late to camp some long ago day in '09.

This guy has NO RIGHT, Bret Fave or not, to not be in camp. Ankle, head injury, drug induced stupor, disrespect for one heck of a hun-yuk head coach... it does not matter. He is part of a team. It is not about him! He needs to be there for many more reasons than to get himself ready for the season. He can help young players (not high schoolers), help coaches develop new plays to afford him the opportunity to prolong his career, strength and conditioning etc. For anybody to say it's O.K. because it's Farve, is drinking waaaay too much juice. Seems one of the reasons they let Duante' go was because he chose to do his re-hap in Florida vs. MN. I agree the Packer's did right by letting him go if he wasn't willing to come to camp to earn his job. The Packer's were only one game behind the Vikes and they showed that a team can come together and contine on without their superstar.

I like Farve. I think he is an amazing QB. just won't buy into the garbage he deserves to be special. No man is an island. I do think HE starts this stuff for his own ego stroke. If not for ego, he starts it without thinking of the outcome... ie: retirement conference #1, retirement confernce #2, the off season waffling last year... I do think he is playing as much for the money now as he is for pride and accomplishment. I think the Vikes will gladly pay him 19m this year as the additional 7m will be earned by the team with him here and solidify the chance at a new stadium... cheap investment for a huge return. He will not play against N.O., no way no how. His ego could not handle losing to them twice... or getting hurt again. They will come after him worse than the championship game. Even if he comes back and starts the game to keep that stat alive, the 1st big hit, he's out and Jackson is in.

Carry-on men. Back or not, no one on here should give this guy slack. I hope he does well should he come back, but he should be here... now.

Good Luck!

Ken

[Shack]

L4M the Vikings wanted Culpepper to rehab "during the off season" here in Minnesota because they did not feel he was getting the proper treatment down in FL. Also he wanted, and pretty much, instigated his trade/release. It was more of a Chilly and Pepper conflict, money, who's in charge, involving a relatively unproven QB.

My personal opinion on this matter of should he be their or not be their for The Team of Favre being in Training Camp is it's a very soft and weak argument. We are not talking about high school or college football here. If you have NFL Pro starters feeling unsure of them selves because the QB, which they do have a season under their belt with, is not in training camp, they should be dropped to second or third string .

I think every Viking is excited and looking forward to another chance to play on the field with Favre. It could very well be his last. If anything it gets the guys pepped for the last pre-season game and starts off the season with a busting out with Farve type thing. I think the did not do many changes to our starters for this very reason.

The guys does not have to play. Obviously a fair amount of fans, vikings and beyond, want him to play. The Vikings organization & team want him to play. The NFL commissioner wants him to play, well would like to see him play again if it's best for him. Face it or not, Brett Favre is an extremely rare and wanted commodity, has showed that he can skip training Camp and still have close to personal best & record breaking season. He Gets What He Wants & people get jealous.

IMO training camp and pre season are long winded anyways and just a tradtion kept from the past. 98-99% of all NFL Pro's have and are capable of conditioning and training for the season on their own. They communicate I think way more than we think during the off season (rules out the man/bonding love theory). It should only be a week at more with, for publicity, optional mini's and maybe a minatory one. I guess I am not an NFL coach though and will leave it to what has worked has worked and the coach knows best.