Wanton waste

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I have a land owner near by that shoots any deer that get within range of his house and lets them run off and die. Disgusts me, but I have not turned him in.

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We get many sheds off his land, and hate to lose a good spot.

You know about it and do nothing so you can add to your shed collection? Now that disgusts me. Unbelievable.

[BRULEDRIFTER]

^ Agree! As bad, if not worse!

[gatorhunter]

I have a land owner near by that shoots any deer that get within range of his house and lets them run off and die. Disgusts me, but I have not turned him in. He has hundreds of acres and lets my brother and I shed hunt each year. We get many sheds off his land, and hate to lose a good spot. It would be pretty obvious who turned him in, as we are the only ones with permission to be on the land. We usually find several or more dead in the wood line near his house. Some nice size shedded bucks to. Very unfortunate.

If you think that having access to a place to pick sheds justifies you for not turning in that poaching so and so, then you need professional help Dude!

[HNTNBUX]

I love reading posts like this and all the self-rightious preaching that goes on. I do not condone breaking the law or deliberate poaching. But I have to say some of you guys are kinda funny in your responses. If you think that everyone must live up to and by your ethics and morals you are going to be suprised to find that not everyone agrees with your ethics or morals. Gatorhunter I would think that as a "Game Warden" you would have learned that by now unless you are new.(discretion, ever used it)

Most of us on this forum are adults with our own unique circumstances that developed our ethics and morals. Mine are not the same as yours which is obvious. I gave my opinion to help someone perhaps make a decision, but you are not going to be able to change my mind or make me feel bad about it. Game violations can be serious but the one described does not cross my threshold for turning in a friend.

I am glad you didn't have to turn in a friend.

[jkcmj]

I kill thousands of rats each year, and just throw away the carcasses! Where is the outrage!

I hear people talk all the time about taking poor shots, or any shot on a coyote while hunting, often losing the animal, or leaving it to suffer. So the deer is of value, and the coyote is worthless? For the coyote, wasting the carcass/hide is OK?

If this guy does not value the deer, any more than I value a mouse or rat or squirrel, coyote, etc... Is he any worse than I? Of course not.

The landowner has his own standards he lives by, and I do not see it as my place to judge him.

Other than disagreeing with me on the value of a deer, he seems to be a decent guy. Throw him under the bus? I think not.

[SledNeck]

I kill thousands of rats each year, and just throw away the carcasses! Where is the outrage!

I hear people talk all the time about taking poor shots, or any shot on a coyote while hunting, often losing the animal, or leaving it to suffer. So the deer is of value, and the coyote is worthless? For the coyote, wasting the carcass/hide is OK?

If this guy does not value the deer, any more than I value a mouse or rat or squirrel, coyote, etc... Is he any worse than I? Of course not.

The landowner has his own standards he lives by, and I do not see it as my place to judge him.

Other than disagreeing with me on the value of a deer, he seems to be a decent guy. Throw him under the bus? I think not.

Thats actually a pretty good post.

Pretty much can be said for fishing mentality up here. People catch perch and bounce them off the bow and let the seagulls eat them, but will cut a hook off to save a walleyes life.

[vister]

you think its ok for somebody to shoot deer only for the purpose of getting a mount? you think its ok to let that much meat hang from a the rafters to rot? i dont think its a very fair comparison, deer vs rats! regardless of the guy, whether he be an a55hole, or the kindest gentlemen you ever met, its still illegal. people take poor shots on all sorts of game, often leaving them to suffer. however, this guy found the deer, skun them, caped one, quartered them, took the quarters from one of the deer shot opening day out of the freezer to make room for the cape and rack, hung everything up, and flat out let everything else rot. the only thing not rotten, the cape.

now you still think this is the same as shooting rats!

[jkcmj]

Obviously the difference is the legality. A deer is legally protected, but a rat is not.

But the coyote comparison, or raccoons would be a better angle to look at. Most figure they are out there destroying game bird nests, spreading disease, and place little value on them. Hides are worth less than the time it takes to skin one. Does that make it ok to shoot and destroy them and leave the hides to rot? Is it OK just because you can legally get by with it? Seems ethics go out the window when someone is selfishly protecting what they personally find of value.

Obviously most people, myself included, on this thread/forum value whitetails, but to some they are a menace to drive around or crop destroyer etc. that is considered worthless. The farmer is shooting an animal to protect his crops and livelihood, just as others shoot coyotes to protect game birds, whitetail fawns, etc. I am sure many of us have seen or been party to the big coyote hauls some groups have. Do very many of them get skinned and utilized?

[chub]

you think its ok for somebody to shoot deer only for the purpose of getting a mount?

Is it really any different than bringing a fish to the taxidermist? A Duck? A Jackalope?

Not saying what the guy did was right.....or wrong. I wouldn't do it and don't condone it, but why is it if someone chooses to do something.....ah, that isn't going to come out sounding right.

What makes one critter more sacred than another? Not many people scream about waste when someone brings a Mallard to the taxidermist. Is it the amount of "meat"? The big brown eyes?

...or just the value each of us individually puts on our favorite game?

[MN Shutterbug]

Chub, I believe you hit the nail on the head.

[Muskie456]

Chub,

Look at bowfishing or crow hunting. Why is it ok to kill them with no intent of using the animal. Ya, fine some people use the critter but most don't. There is also the whole invasive species thing for someone to argue. The fact of it is that the species has evolved or migrated to establish itself where it is so why is it invasive. If any new animal is invasive we need to get rid of pheasnts and whitetails in northen mn. They weren't there until logging started. My personal belief is I do not want to kill anything that I do not intrend on eating. It is why I gave up duck hunting. I love the sport and still support it but I am sick of eating them.

[cementhead21]

Originally Posted By: HNTNBUX

I would never turn in a friend or relative for a game violation. But that does not mean it would not affect our relationship in some way if it was persistant. Everyone makes mistakes and that is not enough to give up a friend.

Anyone "friend or relative" who does not have enough respect for my ethics or morals is a friend or relative that I don't want. I'm a Game Warden and if friends or relatives who know what I do for a living still go out and break game laws, then they deserve to get ripped and don't deserve my friendship!

I feel i must make a comment about a situation that i was in a number of years ago.My family hunts the same area each season and this area depending on the year can be very hard to tell if you got a buck or a doe to shoot at.My father every year would tell every one to MAKE SURE WHAT you are shooting at Depending on if we had Doe Tags or not.Well it Happened One Year that 2 Deer came in to one of the stand areas.A doe And A buck.We had no doe tags that year.The person Shot both deer sure they were both fork horns.Woops one was A doe.Sad Deal Yes. DId It Get Wasted No. Was All Of Our Hunt Over for that year? Yes.That Person who made the mistake was my father Who Happens to be a rather emotional Man.He sat In the camper Crying about it .He felt so bad ready to call the Warden. Now I talked him out of it and got ahold of a friend i knew had a doe tag.Now just hauling that doe to him would have gotten my butt in trouble for sure but i was not going to let my father call and put at risk of losing who knows what if he tried to explain it to a Warden.My Father is also a man of very High Ethics And Morals that would not leave the animal go to waste.

Sorry ,But i personally think you Guys have a little to much power.If your Ethics An Morals Would Ticket A Man Like this and then who knows what else.Then I dont agree with you..Simply Because you would have to make a judgement if this was an honest mistake or not.

Gator, I want you to understand that this is not ment to attack you or other wardens but to make you think about what you encounter each day in enforcement of the game laws. Not all you find is as it may seem too look.Wanton waste has no place in any hunting or fishing situation IMO. But the real question to me is ; Would you ticket or turn in your own father or friend if they had the same morals and ethics ,, but a simple mistake took place on their part?

[BucksnDucks]

My gf brought up a good point to all this after reading through with me. What are you supposed to do with the carcass, after your all dun cleaning the meat off the bones? Every1 is up in arms about seeing deer carcasses layn around the woods and fields after hunting season. But seriously what is the way to go about it, so for 1 you dont get ticketed, and 2 you dont have ppl complaining that its sooooo disturbing to witness? I guess ppl are gunna gripe over nething and everything that isnt the way they seem fit, but seriously? Does anyone have an answer to this?

[vister]

Originally Posted By: vister

you think its ok for somebody to shoot deer only for the purpose of getting a mount?

Is it really any different than bringing a fish to the taxidermist? A Duck? A Jackalope?

Not saying what the guy did was right.....or wrong. I wouldn't do it and don't condone it, but why is it if someone chooses to do something.....ah, that isn't going to come out sounding right.

What makes one critter more sacred than another? Not many people scream about waste when someone brings a Mallard to the taxidermist. Is it the amount of "meat"? The big brown eyes?

...or just the value each of us individually puts on our favorite game?

I guess if i was just mounting the head of the fish or duck, and throwing the meat out, would change what you are thinking. theres a little more involved with a deer, isn't there? even if you were getting a full body mount of a deer, i doubt the taxidermist would toss the meat! bottom line, the meat was left to rot! it wasnt fed to the dogs, nor was it used as coyote bait. it is hanging up, rotten, leaking [PoorWordUsage] everywhere, and absolutely covered in mold! that is waste!

[chub]

Not really trying to argue that it isn't a waste. Just noting that it's funny(not in a ha-ha sense), how people get excited over (insert game of choice) or one animal over another.

People go out and smoke prairie dogs for fun and nobody other than some bleeding hearts give a rip.

Other than the deer you've seen hanging in the dudes garage, I'd be willing to bet that a high percentage of deer(and other game) go to waste anyway, through freezer burn or other poor handling practices.

In the end, what we're left with is one less deer, duck, fish, Opossum for each of us to shoot or enjoy. Unless your inviting me over for dinner , it really doesn't matter to me what you do with your kill.

Do I find said practices wasteful? Yup, some of 'em. But once someone pulls the trigger, other than taking another opportunity away from me, and my greedy wants, it really doesn't matter.

[gatorhunter]

cementhead...the scenario with your Dad is not typical of what was originally described in this thread or the activities that I was referring to. I would shake your Dad's hand anytime and I certainly would not charge him under the circumstances that you described. However, he should've contacted an Officer and you should not have taken possession of that deer. Your Dad's incident may have led to a ticket issued to him but your actions created 3 infractions that had an officer encountered, would've have very little choice but to charge all 3 of you. Mistaken kill, possess illegally taken big game animal x2. There may have been more infractions.

It's always, ALWAYS better to come clean. Ask any married man!

[cementhead21]

cementhead...the scenario with your Dad is not typical of what was originally described in this thread or the activities that I was referring to. I would shake your Dad's hand anytime and I certainly would not charge him under the circumstances that you described. However, he should've contacted an Officer and you should not have taken possession of that deer. Your Dad's incident may have led to a ticket issued to him but your actions created 3 infractions that had an officer encountered, would've have very little choice but to charge all 3 of you. Mistaken kill, possess illegally taken big game animal x2. There may have been more infractions.

It's always, ALWAYS better to come clean. Ask any married man!

Gator, your right about a couple of things in your response. the orginal post was not what i talked about, and also what i did would have got my butt into quite a bit of trouble.I would like to comment that, what you said you would have done in the situation could be very different than what one of you partners would have done,correct? As for the others involved, I knew i could get that deer out of the area where we were.I wasnt too sure if i could get it to my other buddys place who had the doe tag with out getting caught.For that i alone would have paid the price and i was willing to do that for my father who by the way has never even had a parking ticket. I guess the real questions are " Would I do Something like this for someone else?"The Answer is No.

The scenario that started this posting was about letting an animal going to waste. I am dead set against that practice in any form or for any reason.I personally think that if a person is going to hunt or fish that they need to be ready to take care of the game they get under any cicumstance.

Lastly Gator, I would like to thank you for a common sense approach and response to the scenario with my dad. I do wish that some of your partners had the same mentality thou cause they all dont(not much common sense when you jump in front of a speeding snowmoblie,, sure you know of this one).I Have had many dealings with some of your partners checking me out and to the point, that one just asks how i am doing or asks to see my take.He sees me alot and our talks would be for a different post subject. Also remeber common sense seems to be one of the things that gets throwen out the window by the best of us once in awhile

[InTheNorthwoods]

My family hunts the same area each season and this area depending on the year can be very hard to tell if you got a buck or a doe to shoot at.

Come on, you can't be serious? If you can't identify what you are shooting at, you have no business pulling the trigger (or being in the woods with a gun IMO). Its rule number 1, "know your target".

I can handle the "shoot any legal animal" mentality, but I can't handle the idea that people will shoot without knowing what they are shooting at.

[flipper]

The largest case of wanton waste I have seen was a couple years ago when the mndnr threw away all the venison that was donated because a small percentage of a sample contained lead fragments.

[chub]

The largest case of wanton waste I have seen was a couple years ago when the mndnr threw away all the venison that was donated because a small percentage of a sample contained lead fragments.

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[SrBrits]

The largest case of wanton waste I have seen was a couple years ago when the mndnr threw away all the venison that was donated because a small percentage of a sample contained lead fragments.

that was nothing, what aboout all the deer from the TB core area, most were taken to state land and tossed to the wolves. and the sharpshooters were to lazy to gut the animals in a timely manner, so most of the deer that were available to any one that signed up to have them weren't worth eating. as always with the MN DNR, do as we say and not as we do.

[cementhead21]

Well Northwoods,, i can only guess that you have not hunted in a clearcut that has started the new growth of trees or the area that you are hunting you have good lanes to shoot/see thru which on some lands is illegal to make.In this particular area i have passed on deer that went on towards another in our party and they shot it. reason i passed was? i could not tell if it had horns or not because of the cover it was in.As it turned out it was a nice 10 point that i tracked to the other guys stand to find he shot it.If you hunt the thick stuff many times your shots are under 20 yards and 50 yards would be considered a long shot. Also as a matter of info on this years shot i took in this area. the deer was 50 feet from me before i could tell it it was a buck or doe, and before it gave me a shot it was about 20 feet from me. Now did i see this deer coming thru towards me ?Yes. Could i tell if it was buck or doe? NO. DId I know What my target was? Proof is in the freezer.The real Question is did my father know what he was shooting at ? Yes and No ,, He Made a mistake on one of the deer.The Post Started out as Wasteing of Game, Right?His Mistake did not get wasted, but brought to a person who had a tag and used it. All i did was post a question to Gator about it on what should have been done. to which i got my answer.