Peterson fumbles.. AGAIN

[zamboni]

Meanwhile Chris Johnson is hunting down the 2000 yd mark.

CJ > AP

And why is that?? Their passing game is horrible. Opposite of the Packers. Packers throw a ton and the Titans run a ton. The Vikes are well balanced and do both.

[LMITOUT]

And why is that?? Their passing game is horrible. Opposite of the Packers. Packers throw a ton and the Titans run a ton. The Vikes are well balanced and do both.

The Vike's passing game must be horrible then as well using your logic, because Peterson only has 17 less attempts than Johnson. Chris Johnson is averaging almost a yard and a half more than Peterson.

The throw's more/runs less argument is hogwash. Likewise with you discrediting Rodgers for having 4000+ passing yards, again.

We're not fools. The numbers are there if anyone cares to look at them. Johnson is the #1 back in the league this year without a doubt.

[Jim Uran]

Chris Johnson is having a better YEAR... over the long haul, I'll take Peterson anyday.

[Jim Uran]

I still don't get what him being an elite rb has to do with his fumbling problem! Obviously we all know that he is a top notch back.......but he has a fumbling problem that he should fix!!!!

What do you think about the fumbling numbers now? AP's the man, I don't know why you have to nit pick and be a hater. Now you are saying Peterson doesn't take hits and isn't a bruiser?? lol

[zamboni]

The Vike's passing game must be horrible then as well using your logic, because Peterson only has 17 less attempts than Johnson. Chris Johnson is averaging almost a yard and a half more than Peterson.

How many 3 n outs does TN have compared to us??? extending a drive equals more opportunities. As far as Rodgers, if you throw the ball all the time, the yards are going to add up, why doesn't that make sense to you??? Stupid is as stupid does.

[zamboni]

Chris Johnson is having a better YEAR... over the long haul, I'll take Peterson anyday.

How many ppl are going to pass up AP if they have the #1 pick in their fantasy draft next year for CJ?? Not as many as LIMIT would think

[Big Dave2]

I've always thought AP runs more like Earl Campbell (violent)...what's his stats through his first three years?

Good thinking! I never thought about Earl Campbell. His numbers are very interesting. His best years statisticaly were his first 3 by far. After that he staggered 2 more really good years in there but the rest were nothing. Did he have injury problems? I had just moved to Minnesota from Alabama as a kid in 1980 so I didn't know too much about PRO football back then. We were all about the Crimson Tide!

Earl Campbell's first 3 years

5081 yds

45 TDs

21 Fumbles

[Big Dave2]

Originally Posted By: Big Dave2

Because it is not a fumbling PROBLEM. I have posted statistical evidence that shows you this but you choose to ignore it.

Obviously it is a problem......your statistical evidence shows this!! I am not saying he is a bad running back, just saying he would be alot better if he would get rid of his fumbling problem! It is about getting better as a player and giving the defense less of an advantage and right now their advantage vs. peterson is their ability to strip the ball from his hands because of the way he carries the ball.

How in the world does my statistical evidence prove that he has a fumbling problem? It shows that he is right in line or better than the best RBs in HISTORY when it comes to fumbling. If AP has a fumbling problem then so did almost every great RB in history.

[LMITOUT]

Extending the drive equals more opportunities? Attemps are attempts. I really don't know what part of that is hard to understand. Do you realize what Johnson's 17 extra attempts than Peterson means? It's about one more carry per game and not even worth considerering. It certainly doesn't have anything to do with longer drives or the run/pass balance of TN vs. MN.

The 'yards per attempt' shows a glaring difference between the two RB's and what they do each opportunity they have with the ball. That statistic right there (Yards per Attempt) essentially eliminates the discussion on the run/pass ratio and the type the offense each RB's team plays or who has more or less playmakers stealing playing time. They've each had their share of touches and Johnson has done more with his.

I'll take CJ every time. Ask anybody how Peterson has done for them this year in FFL and they'll say it was a mistake. Johnson has flat out dominated on the field and there is not one thing that would lead anybody to claim that Peterson is the better running back besides the googly-eyed kool-aid drinking fans who refuses to admit it.

[zepman]

Originally Posted By: zepman

I've always thought AP runs more like Earl Campbell (violent)...what's his stats through his first three years?

Good thinking! I never thought about Earl Campbell. His numbers are very interesting. His best years statisticaly were his first 3 by far. After that he staggered 2 more really good years in there but the rest were nothing. Did he have injury problems? I had just moved to Minnesota from Alabama as a kid in 1980 so I didn't know too much about PRO football back then. We were all about the Crimson Tide!

Earl Campbell's first 3 years

5081 yds

45 TDs

21 Fumbles

Find some old highlight films of Earl and you'll see the similarity in their running styles. IMO, Earl Campbell is one of the top 5 or 10 players to ever play in the NFL. He was relentless/violent and way over-used. He took a massive beating during his shortened career and I believe he is now confined to a wheelchair.

[Big Dave2]

Extending the drive equals more opportunities? Attemps are attempts. I really don't know what part of that is hard to understand. Do you realize what 17 more attempts than Peterson means? It's about one more carry per game and not even worth considerering. It certainly doesn't have anything to do with longer drives or the run/pass balance of TN vs. MN.

The 'yards per attempt' shows a glaring difference between the two RB's and what they do each opportunity they have with the ball. That statistic right there (Yards per Attempt) essentially eliminates the discussion on the run/pass ratio and the type the offense each RB's team plays or who has more or less playmakers stealing playing time. They've each had their share of touches and Johnson has done more with his.

I'll take CJ every time. Ask anybody how Peterson has done for them this year in FFL and they'll say it was a mistake. Johnson has flat out dominated on the field and there is not one thing that would lead anybody to believe that Peterson is the better running back.

I don't think anyone could argue that CJ has been a better RB this year. He may even end up with better career numbers than AP when it is all said and done. Maybe he'll be the best RB of all time, who knows? But really this has nothing to do with the point of this thread. Maybe you should start a new one comparing AP to CJ.

I think a lot of teams in the league would love to have AP or CJ. No use comparing them, AP is a Viking and CJ is a Titan, unless you are suggesting the Vikes try to pull off a trade?

The only thing I can say about the comparison is that the way a team wins games is by scoring more points than their apponant. AP has 5 more TDs than CJ. Plus CJs titans have 7 wins and the Vikes have 11.

I ain't sayin' I'm just sayin'

[LMITOUT]

Did you forget CJ's receiving TD's? He has two, Peterson has zip.

Yeah, you're right...this thread has gone off track. It originally was about Peterson's fumbling issues.

BTW, Peterson has five more fumbles than CJ.

I'm not sayin', just sayin'.

[PierBridge]

Not to nit-pick this great debate but depending on what type of Fantacy league you are in AD as done quite well.. I can attest to that for shiz..

[Big Dave2]

Did you forget CJ's receiving TD's? He has two, Peterson has zip.

Yeah, you're right...this thread has gone off track. It originally was about Peterson's fumbling issues.

BTW, Peterson has five more fumbles than CJ.

I'm not sayin', just sayin'.

You can't quit badgering people even when they agree with you. Did I not say that CJ was the best back in the league this year? What more do you want from me?

[PierBridge]

And I'll add CJ has had a way better year as far as REALITY and NFL Football goes.

[zepman]

Neither one of them has anything to be ashamed of.

[gr8icefishinmind]

Originally Posted By: gr8icefishinmind

I still don't get what him being an elite rb has to do with his fumbling problem! Obviously we all know that he is a top notch back.......but he has a fumbling problem that he should fix!!!!

What do you think about the fumbling numbers now? AP's the man, I don't know why you have to nit pick and be a hater. Now you are saying Peterson doesn't take hits and isn't a bruiser?? lol

When did i say that?? All i stated was that bettis was more of a power back and inside runner than AP is, never said AP wasn't a punishing rb cause obviously he is!!!

[gr8icefishinmind]

AP is the man, i would just like to see him work on his carryin so i didn't have to cringe everytime he got hit worrying about his fumbling issues that HE DOES HAVE!!!

[zamboni]

Limit, how many 3rd and 8s do the Packers have?? Alot more than the Vikes, thus forcing the pass more. Grant has done nothing until this past weekend for 2 years now. Rodgers throws more than Favre, therefore the yards will come. I am done trying to talk common sense into you.

[LMITOUT]

Once again that doesn't hold water, just as the argument that Chris Johnson runs more than Peterson and therefore that is the reason he has had a better year in rushing doesn't hold water.

Just look up the stats once before posting. Rodgers only has one more pass attempt per game than Favre. That's only 15 more attempts by Rodgers than Favre thus far this year, yet Rodgers has almost 500 more completion yards on the season.

I'm not sure how it could be any more plain to see that Rodgers is a top-tier QB and Chris Johnson is the #1 RB, no matter how hard you don't want to admit it.

[Dave S]

Just look up the stats once before posting. Rodgers only has one more pass attempt per game than Favre. That's only 15 more attempts by Rodgers than Favre thus far this year, yet Rodgers has almost 500 more completion yards on the season.

The difference here is the majority of Favre's passes to start the season were 10 yards or less. I remember seeing a breakdown/comparison between Rogers and Favre after the first 5 games, but I don't remember where.

[zamboni]

Just look up the stats once before posting. Rodgers only has one more pass attempt per game than Favre. That's only 15 more attempts by Rodgers than Favre thus far this year, yet Rodgers has almost 500 more completion yards on the season.

And how many of Favres passes are under 10 yards? Rodgers over 10 yards?

[Big Dave2]

How on earth did this thread turn into a Farve vs. Rodgers ordeal? I thought we were talking about Adrian Peterson and the fact that he does not fumble any more often than any of the greatest RBs of all time?

[Big Dave2]

AP is the man, i would just like to see him work on his carryin so i didn't have to cringe everytime he got hit worrying about his fumbling issues that HE DOES HAVE!!!

Please explain your position. I don't understand why you still don't believe that AP is no more a fumbler than any of the greatest backs in league history. I have proven my case using statistical evidence. Please be kind enough to do the same. Just because YOU feel that he fumbles too often is not enough for me. That is like stating that neither Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson are good backs because neither of them reached 3,000 yards and 75 touchdowns. All these players are statistically ABOVE average at their position.

Face it, QBs throw interceptions. RBs fumble. WRs drop passes. It's all going to happen. You will never completely get away from it. If the player is doing these things at an average statistical level or BELOW, how can you say it is a problem?

[d.frazier]

Couldnt agree with you more...Ap's just gonna have to keep working on the fumblitis issues and he'll be fine..