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SmilinBob Community Regular

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Maybe if you could be more easily identified we wouldn't read so many stories of poor ethics and disrespctful hunters. Just a thought after trying to describe "some guys in camo" not respecting fence lines and me and my dad obviously tracking an animal we had shot on our own property a couple years ago.

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Maybe if you could be more easily identified we wouldn't read so many stories of poor ethics and disrespctful hunters. Just a thought after trying to describe "some guys in camo" not respecting fence lines and me and my dad obviously tracking an animal we had shot on our own property a couple years ago.

Maybe we should just wear name tags all over the place. Skip that, lets just have GPS tracking devices implanted into everyone and keep an internet/computer log of everyones movements all of the time. Then we will never have problems identifying any type of criminal.

OR, we could just try to be decent human beings and have faith in others around us. Over 90% of people are decent, respectful, good human beings, I don't think we need to take away any more of their rights.

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Maybe we should just wear name tags all over the place. Skip that, lets just have GPS tracking devices implanted into everyone and keep an internet/computer log of everyones movements all of the time. Then we will never have problems identifying any type of criminal.

We already do, it's in your pocket and you make calls on it. frown Sad but true.

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OR, we could just try to be decent human beings and have faith in others around us. Over 90% of people are decent, respectful, good human beings, I don't think we need to take away any more of their rights.

Ummm, since when does wearing an ID tag take away rights? Not saying I would want to wear one, but I think the right not to have to wear a tag is stretching it a little bit. We all like to have faith and I agree that 90% of us are good ethical people, but that 10% is a actually a large number of individuals, and they can do alot of harm in the public eye.

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OR, we could just try to be decent human beings and have faith in others around us. Over 90% of people are decent, respectful, good human beings, I don't think we need to take away any more of their rights.

Ummm, since when does wearing an ID tag take away rights? Not saying I would want to wear one, but I think the right not to have to wear a tag is stretching it a little bit. We all like to have faith and I agree that 90% of us are good ethical people, but that 10% is a actually a large number of individuals, and they can do alot of harm in the public eye.

Once you get a persons name, you can get almost any information about them. Just do a few simple internet searches on your name. With the information you can get from that and using a few of the programs readily available that charge only a small fee, a guy could probably get your social security number in 20 minutes. It is every individuals right to have their privacy protected if they choose.

That issue aside, I just don't think we need to treat good people with a presumption that they will do something bad - which is the only reason for an ID tag. The truly bad people won't wear one anyways. Its like the gun ban issue, if you take away the right to own guns, all of the law abiding people would be unarmed and only the criminal would have guns. Doesn't sound like the situation I'd like to be in. If we keep giving away rights and freedom one at a time, pretty soon we won't have any.

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The truly bad people won't wear one anyways.

That I do agree with you on. Those that are going to break the rules are going to break them regardless of tags.

I'm not sure how having a firearm or license number on your back would be any different than a license plate on your car. Also not sure that there would be an internet database that would allow you to cross reference firearm numbers with a persons name, again, kind of like license plates.

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The truly bad people won't wear one anyways.

That I do agree with you on. Those that are going to break the rules are going to break them regardless of tags.

I'm not sure how having a firearm or license number on your back would be any different than a license plate on your car. Also not sure that there would be an internet database that would allow you to cross reference firearm numbers with a persons name, again, kind of like license plates.

I think we are digressing from the point of my original post. The whole reason we got into this mini debate is because I disagreed with mandatory identification on your person while hunting because we "read so many stories about poor ethics and disrespctful hunters". Who is to say that other hunters are the moral authority? My original post was merely pointing out the idea that I am tired of seeing law abiding citizens unnecessarily giving up their rights time after time and following the slippery slope towards complete control by big brother. Why not promote personal responsibility and rely on the fact that most people are good, and most "bad" people won't follow the rules anyways.

As to the license plate example, I understand your point, and there are hundreds of examples that one could use to highlight the same point. But I will still ask why should we give up more of our individual freedoms for a purpose that has no quantifiable advantages and is merely another inconvenience. You don't walk down the street each day with a huge identification tag on your back for everyone to see "just in case you decide to rob a store" or John Doe thinks is of "poor ethics or disrespectful".

So, again, I will stick with my original point that what we need is not "identification tags" on hunters so that the government agency (see DNR) can apprehend them and play the mediator role between people who got into an argument over "poor ethics/disrespectful behavior", but rather do our best to act decent as people and solve our own disputes. Most arguments/incidents in the woods can be solved by simply acting as an adult and discussing the matter with ration, rather than being defensive and upset.

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Jeez, some of you guys sure get excited about having a back tag.

I've had to wear one my whole life, and in no way do I feel that my rights are violated for doing so. It's not a big deal, just something that comes with deer hunting.

I have never called somebody's back tag number in for a violation. You would have to be pretty close to the violater to pull that off. Their vehicle plates are much easier to read, and are more convienient to get a look at (parking area, side of road etc.)

Simmer down now.........

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its funny how a question asking if you have to wear id tags on your bag in MN, like you do in wisconsin, turned into a debate about ethical and unethical hunters, lawabiding and unlawful hunters, all screwing it up for each other!

the answer to your question is no, you don't have to wear an id tag in mn!

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I'm glad we don't have to wear them in MN. Mainly because it's one more thing to hassle with. I could also imagine a few conversations going like this:

Guy A: I saw some SOB doing ______!

Guy B: Did you get his ID #?

Guy A: Yep

Guy B: How did you see it from so far away

Guy A: Through my scope.

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