Moss has not changed after all

[muskybuck]

As I was driving from WI to Nebraska yesterday afternoon I listened to AM sports radio stations the whole (eight hours) way. I heard over and over about Moss and his conduct in regards to being all about himself. It seems all the effort earlier this year to make him seem like such a team player by the media was all for naught. One of suggestions made be an ex NFL star was that about five of the Viking Players should take him into a corner and have talk with him about his primadonna attitude.

I also listened to Chuck Foreman on the WCCO after the game say that he thought one of the Vikings biggest problems is that the Vikings are more concerned about their after the touchdown dance routine than they are about giving their all to the team. Some of you younger Viking lovers probably do not remember Chuck but let me tell you there was no dancing with that superstar, or any of his team mates. That was back in the Viking Glory years.

[lawdog]

That's a bunch of bull. Moss isn't any more selfish than any other player on that team. Foreman's comments about worrying about their TD dances could be said for the entire league.

Moss is stuck with a rotten team and I'd be pretty frustrated if I was him too. I don't know why guys like Culpepper and Moss even want to play for this team. THE VIKES SUCK and unless things change, don't deserve to keep anybody that talented.

[Down to Earth]

I have to agree with lawdog on this. Moss isn't any different than any other player in the NFL. True you didn't have the celebrations years ago that you have now, but the game has changed. No longer is it a football game you are watching it is an entertainment venue on many different levels, and individual celebrations has become a part of it for better or worse.

[JHansel7]

Oh come on, Moss is by far the best player in the league, and i dont agree with what he did, but im sure he is just frusterated beyond what we can figure. He does it all, you have to admit that he is putting in a few more key blocks, and actually trying, and he makes an amazing catch and its called back for holding, what else can he do?

[MJR]

Moss is the best reciever in the NFL.

I think you are looking in the wrong place for role models.

He has seemed to be dogging it a little lately not sure if he is still hurt or what.

[Eric Wettschreck]

Moss is good, possibly the best receiver playing the game right now.

Talent, frustration, my dog is sick, whatever the reason, there is no, absolutely no excuse for abandoning your team, and that is exactially what he did.

It just plain doesn't matter what everyone else is doing. Excuses not results seem to be Moss's and the Vikings standard this year. Moss walking off the field just puts a period behind the sentence.

He may be good, but he's still a punk. He always was and until the Vikings get a coach with a Bud Grant type of attitude he always will be a punk.

[myzee13]

Did you watch the game? I would've done the same thing!

[fishyguy]

Anybody remember Alan Page lipping off to Bud Grant years ago. He was sent to Chicago and never seen again in Purple. Maybe it is time. He is the most amazing WR to play the game when he wants to. He leaves me shaking my head after everygame. It is just that sometimes I am shaking my head wondering how he makes some of the plays he does and sometimes it is wondering why he does things that can do nothing but hurt the team.

If the Bronco's can get Champ Bailly for Clinton Portis, I would think we can get a pro bowl caliber D player, plus some other contributors, plus a draft choice for him. I would rather watch a team with heart and guts but no talent than the most talented team in the world with no heart.

[JHansel7]

a few of you guys about make me sick, first you bash on the vikings, well dont watch them or think about them if you hate them so much, and how many times has moss single handedly brought the vikes back into the game, and how big of a threat is he, hurt hamstring or not. Id ont agree with him leaving, but i think at the time moss was not thinking, maybe he'll come up with an explanation. And by the way, Tice has done a pretty good job controlling him, you cant even say he hasnt!

[fishyguy]

JHansel,

Relax a little bit. Nobody said we hate the Vikes. Should we worship these guys and not be able to criticize when they blatantly make an error in judgement. Yes, he has been the reason for many wins. I think his attitude may be contributing to some losses. It is my opinion, I am entitled to it, and can still root for the team to win, yell in frustration when they lose and hope for him to change. He has made progress this year. Yesterday was a big step back.

My days of athletics may not extend beyond college, but I will say nobody ever played a game with me wondering if I left it on the field and was with the team every step of the way. I don't expect any less from the people I cheer for now from my couch. A hurt back or hamstring does not keep you from being with the team. How many guys do you see in street clothes and on crutches on the sidelines every Sunday. They don't leave early or bring the team down. Moss will not be the leader of this team until he becomes a part of it.

[Eric Wettschreck]

Jhansel, relax a bit.

I'm a Vikings fan. Always have been and always will be. The fact that they are playing poorly this year doesn't change my status as a fan.

No one person single handedly does anything on a football field. Heck, if that were the case, let Moss snap the ball to himself, take a 5 step drop, throw it, run a route, and catch it in the endzone. Seriously, yes, he is a playmaker. No doubt about that.

It's a team thing. That's what Moss either forgot or never knew yesterday. I've said it before and I'll say it again, he very well could be the best receiver playing the game right now.

No one person is bigger than either the team or the game. If and when Moss ever understands that he could be twice as good as he is right now. How scarey would that be for the Packers?

[buzzsaw]

Well said Fishyguy! Randy claims to be a leader.... I just don't see a team leader with the temprament and makeup of Mr. Moss!! He lacks a tough mentally and heart.... holy cow!! I just desribed my favorite team!! The Minnesota Vikings!

[muskybuck]

Terrel Owens is the best receiver in the NFL. Moss could be but he is not.

[Down to Earth]

I would take Moss over Owens in a heart beat.

[muskybuck]

Moss has always been a quitter. It looks like he always will be.

[otto_man]

sounds like birk told him if he ever pulls that dump again he'll be eating with a straw!!

[lawdog]

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I would take Moss over Owens in a heart beat.

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And Marvin Harrison over Owens too.

Owens is the MOST OVERRATED, but little else...

[Quickstrike]

no one even mentions that after the touchdown he scored, rather then dancing and rubbing it in the other teams face like 99% of players would do, he tossed the ball to the official congratulated his teammates and jogged back to the sidelines. I admit what he did at the end of the game was stupid, but one stupid act shouldn't discredit the growing up that he actually has done.

[kevfish]

"One stupid act" what are you talking about. He has had one stupid act after another- I think he is the main problem with the vikes. Trade him for some defensive players. I cannot believe the people that continually stick up for this guy. He has got to go. I think the other teammates have had it with him.

[Mark Christianson]

So many sports athletes are such a joke.

Can you imagine the day when Tiger Woods does the electric shuffle after a long putt on the greens?

I am tired of much more than just Moss, the Vikings, the NFL, etc...

Maybe Denny Brauer doing a little jig after a 5 lb bass in the Bassmasters would be legit....

The heck with the entire NFL. Joke.

Send Moss and the entire Vikings out to LA or some other city. I give up. Its no fun for me any more.

Just a bunch of thugs looking for the most attention.

[lawdog]

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no one even mentions that after the touchdown he scored, rather then dancing and rubbing it in the other teams face like 99% of players would do, he tossed the ball to the official congratulated his teammates and jogged back to the sidelines. I admit what he did at the end of the game was stupid, but one stupid act shouldn't discredit the growing up that he actually has done.

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Or how about EVERY TD in the dome when he goes and gives the ball to one of the disabled fans in the wheelchair section? I agree the guy has issues, but he's no where near as bad as everyone paints him to be.

Should he have stayed on the field Sunday? Absolutely! Is it worth all the fuss it generated? I don't think so...

[lawdog]

It is pretty bad BLB, but its not bad enough to do away with the Vikings. We just need Glen Taylor to buy them.

Moss is no more a punk than 150 other players around the league, none of whom can match his athletic ability either!!! Its just the entertainment part of pro sports overshadowing the sport a litte, which is sad, but I don't think there is much we can do about it...

[MJR]

Moss is a quitter and T.O. is the best. Seems wierd but if that is what you think.

TO has a broken leg and may never play again.

Moss's antics do not come close to TO's.

TO

9yrs

135 games

669 catches

9772 yds

95 tds

Moss

7yrs

109 games

574 catches

9142 Yds

90 Td's

Seems like Moss is pretty close to TO's #'s even with playing 26 less games.

Seems weird you would think TO is better unless you have some hatred towards moss for what he usually does to the classy packer organization.

[Down to Earth]

MJR,

Here's another comparison you could use:

Moss

7yrs

109 games

574 catches

9142 Yds

90 Td's

Rice:

1st 7 years

108 games

526 catches

9072 yards

93 tds

One other thing is Moss had to work through at least 2 QBs I think before Culpepper was named the starter. Rice I believe had some guy Montana throwing to him on a consistent basis. Also since Carter left(not sure when that was) the Vikes have not a complement to Moss that was even close to what Taylor was for Rice. One thing Moss also has going for him that Rice didn't have is a poor defense that allows the offense back on the field more often.

[Eric Wettschreck]

All around, I'd have to say that Rice is/was the best receiver I've ever seen. I'm not saying he's without fault, but I think he was the best.